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FDA cancels bird flu vaccine research

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by l_boy, May 29, 2025 at 4:06 PM.

  1. QGator2414

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    mRNA has great potential in medicine imo. But not to fight against a viral infection/cold. It will be in cancer treatments.
     
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  2. citygator

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    Herman Caine approves of this action.

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  3. duggers_dad

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    Updated total people who died from not being vaccinated: 0
     
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  4. AzCatFan

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    Can you explain the fundamental mechanisms in how a traditional vaccine works? How about mRNA vaccine works? And why you believe mRNA can't be used to fight viral infections?
     
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  5. duggers_dad

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    What’s mRNA and how did they find it ?

    I suspect there are plenty of ingredients sufficient to injure and kill absent tiny leprechauns.

    He’ll, saline injections can be harmful.
     
  6. AzCatFan

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    mRNA is short for Messenger RiboNucleic Acid. Every living thing has DNA except for some viruses, which only has RNA. But all living things have mRNA. The mRNA is what the body uses to decode the DNA to tell the body what peptides to make in order to make proteins.

    When a foreign biological substance enters a body, the presence of mRNA triggers the immune response. If the body can figure out the correct antibody, the body will fight off the infection and get rid of it. Our immune systems also have a "memory," and in the future, if the body encounters the same pathogen again, it already knows what antibodies to make.

    Previous vaccines would take the original virus and infect thousands upon thousands of eggs in order to find a variant with an attenuated virus with the right mRNA strand. An attenuated virus is a virus which has been defanged and declawed, and while it will still trigger the body's immune response, it won't make a person sick, or as sick as the original virus. However, when the body encounters the original virus, the immune system recognizes it and quickly fights off the infection.

    mRNA vaccines skips the need to infect eggs to find an attenuated virus. All we need to do is isolate the right mRNA strand that triggers the immune response. mRNA vaccines are safer because it does not use live viruses that can mutate from an attenuated strand into a virulent one. mRNA vaccines are also much faster, because the time it takes to isolate the right mRNA strand is much quicker than infecting thousands of eggs in the hopes of isolating an attenuated virus.
     
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  7. QGator2414

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    It is not that it can’t. But it right now does not meet the risk/benefit to make sense. And is nowhere close to doing so. Covid turned out to be a massive set back and likely ended mRNA for things like the flu/covid/cold/etc.

    I fully understand you are good with causing unnecessary inflammation to yourself. And at the same time there is a reason you are part of such a small group willing to still do so.
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    I was being coy. DNA as a concept is up for grabs

    DNA discovery, extraction and structure. A critical review

    And there are no viruses to ‘declaw.’ So-called efficacy studies are manipulated to create the illusion that vaccines work.

    Ex: per CDC recommendations, hospitalizations fewer than 14 days were categorized as unvaccinated.

    Thus, a hospitalization for vaccine injury could be attributed to Covid.

    It’s a ruse to prop up the vaccine while obscuring iatrogenic harms.
     
  9. AzCatFan

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    Look at the data. COVID infection causes inflammation. In contrast, vaccinated persons show less inflammation than unvaccinated.

    It would make sense that if part of a person's immune response to COVID infection is inflammation that part of a person's immune response to the vaccine which contains the exact same mRNA would also cause inflammation. It also makes sense that an infection, which causes millions of viral particles to be in the body as the virus replicates itself would cause more inflammation than the mRNA vaccine, which contains one, single strand of mRNA.

    The risk of infection is far higher than the risk from the vaccine. Less chance of getting sick, and more importantly, less chance of hospitalization and death. Oh, and less chance of inflammation too.
     
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  10. QGator2414

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    The goal is to minimize inflammation events in the body. Forcing your body to react with an inflammation event for a spike it will not protect against is just stupid. As we have seen. Especially when the disease is not that dangerous to the vast majority of people.

    But go ahead and guarantee inflammation in your body if you wish for no reason.
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    What part of getting vaccinated will reduce your chance of being infected, reduce your inflammation from infection, reduce your chances of being hospitalized, and reduce your risk of dying do you not understand?
     
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  12. VAg8r1

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    Tragic but the meme says it all.
     
  13. duggers_dad

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    Herman Cain’s cancer couldn’t kill him so they had to bring in the coof.

    Also, in late 2020 the CDC listed 25 fatal hangings as Covid deaths.
     
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    And my favorite all time Covid death courtesy of the Alachua Chronicle 7/27/20 …

    Another case at Shands, a 35-year-old male, was listed as a Dade County death from COVID-19: “[The decedent] was working on the roof of a home in Middleburg on 5/28. It started to rain and the decedent and his coworkers stopped working. Bystanders in the neighborhood and the workers on the roof observed a flash of lighting and heard a loud explosion, and several workers were thrown off of the roof. Immediately following the lighting strike, a worker on the roof observed the decedent collapse, fall off of the roof, and land facedown on grass. The decedent’s muscles were reported to be contracted and shaking, and caused the decedent’s body to roll over onto his backside. It was also reported by the workers that the decedent’s eyeballs were rolled back into his skull. Bystanders in the neighborhood observed the decedent on the ground, called 911, and started CPR until EMS arrived on scene. Following the lightning strike, the workers observed a large hole on the roof that appeared burnt. According to medical records, the decedent was transported via EMS to Orange Park Medical Center and was found to have spinal fractures with spinal cord transection, a skull base fracture, and pulmonary contusions. He was transferred on the same day to UF Health Shands Hospital for further management and was admitted to the surgical intensive care unit on mechanical ventilation. He tested positive for the COVID-19 virus on 5/29 and was transferred to the medical intensive care unit. In addition to acute hypoxic respiratory failure and neurogenic shock, he was found to have a subarachnoid hemorrhage, bilateral pulmonary contusions, C3 & C7 spinous process fractures, complete T4 spinal cord transection, a skull base fracture. Trauma surgery, neurosurgery, and neurocritical care continued to follow the decedent and the decedent’s condition did not improve. Examinations were consistent with severe hypoxic brain injury and his prognosis was poor. The decedent’s family elected to transition to full comfort measures on 6/9 and he was pronounced dead on 6/9.”
     
  15. QGator2414

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    When the shot causes inflammation…you must address the risk benefit. Especially when the shot is not designed to protect against the disease in question as it is always designed for a spike that has been take over.

    Look. If you want to keep causing inflammation for no reason. Go for it. There is a reason the vast majority are not following you.
     
  16. AzCatFan

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    Risk benefit. I can take the shot and reduce my exposure to getting sick, reduce my inflammation amount, reduce my risk of ending up in the hospital, and reduce my risk of death. Again, what about this statement do you not understand?

    Yes, there is also risk that there will be new variants with different spike proteins. That's the nature of viruses. But most vaccines will still offer protection even if it was designed for a different variant. Heck, the word vaccine comes from the fact that humans were infected with cow pox (that's where the vac part of vaccine comes from) to protect from a related viral disease.
     
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    You will never convince these people that vaccines are modern miracles. I stopped trying months ago. The loudest anti-vaxxers on this board believe they are microbiological experts after listening to a few Alex Jones podcasts; it's quite sad actually. Charlatans.
     
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  18. vaxcardinal

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    Epstein died of Covid?
     
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    It’s amazing that this board has experts on every topic
     
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  20. citygator

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    You should see the game threads. :eek:
     
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