Fast and Furious street takeovers

When a handful of roofing nails would be handy

 

Except what they're proposing isn't a criminal forfeiture. They don't have to prove criminal behavior. It's theft.

 

I assume you have the revolver?

 

So what’s your solution?

 

You may find it appalling, I find it to be a compromise and civilized solution compared to what I would like to do.

 

If they're breaking the law, arrest them, charge them, and prosecute them.

 

Does it involve murdering them, like you wanted to do with people crossing the border?

 

If necessary. Just legally fire bombing their cars for being a public nuisance would be good enough.

 

Sounds like America isn't for you. I think you'd be much happier in an authoritarian country.

 

America is just fine for me. It's the direction you want to take it that will lead into the shitter.

 

I want freedom and justice. I can see how that might irk somebody who believes in summary executions for minor crimes.

 

Yes I have an 1861 Navy Colt cap & ball revolver. Hollywood got it wrong on that pistol. You don't just fire 6 shots then put 6 cartridges in. You load it by pouring black powder in each cylinder one at a time then cram a ball of lead in and put a cap on the other end. It's fun to shoot but with no rifling in the barrel it ain't very accurate, but it is a big handgun and would scare the crap out of anybody seeing it.

 

Other than 96, nobody is calling for “summary execution” type response.

You realize these are basically street gangs, right? They almost need to be treated as such. Interesting the original movie (before it turned into an over the top comic book-like franchise) was about an FBI agent whose job was to infiltrate an organized crime ring of street racers.

No I don’t think we should be “firebombing” cars. But if they get caught in the act street racing, that car needs to be towed away and I think destroying/disabling the racing car should be on the table as a deterrent. Obviously the problem is these groups scatter like roaches. Cops probably know who a lot of them are but they need to catch them in the act to do anything. I too think they need to be “caught” to administer Justice, I just also think the cops need to be pro-active to be able to do that.

I’m also not opposed to giving them “safe places” to go, which might be the best solution. Kind of like skateboarders who many considered a nuisance, but some pro-active cities decided to build them skateparks, a place to go. Although the liability for something like this is much higher, so probably not nearly as easy to get an “official” facility.

 

Bringing up street gangs is only going to lose you points in my book.
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Arrest them, charge them, and convict them. Give them due process. Then, you can justify a forfeiture. Otherwise, taking or destroying their vehicles should be off the table. Civil asset forfeiture is repugnant, abusive, and should be unconstitutional. What y'all proposed earlier in this thread is a step further than civil asset forfeiture. And it almost certainly would violate the Constitution.

 

I’m against civil asset forfeiture without due process. Such as when they find cash or other assets in a vehicle and assume it’s drug money. Without evidence, that ain’t right. In alot of cases we’ve all heard about, its practically theft by police departments. In “street racing” there isn’t this burden connecting the seemingly unrelated asset to the crime. The asset, the car, is being used to commit the crime. Either they catch the car in the act of racing or they don’t, if they do, the car itself becomes fair game imo.

If a car is caught doing 100mph (sometimes much more) and/or doing an illegal street race, that is a serious crime. That is not a ticket and let drive away offense, that is an arrest and take them to jail immediately offense, which means with the driver being taken into custody the car gets impounded. From jail they will be booked and processed, that is your due process. The cars in these cases are a not entirely a separate matter and as i said, are fair game. If your issue is the person needs to be convicted of the street racing related crimes before their car, the civil asset, is destroyed, i don’t have an issue with that due process playing out.

 

Okay. Arrest them. Charge them. Impound the car. Move to forfeit the car via criminal asset forfeiture (if allowed). And then give them due process. That's not what was proposed earlier in the thread.

 

I shot one several years ago and it is fun. It does have a bit of an intimidation factor to it, and that long barrel helps with accuracy.

 

Gotta go with GL here. Too much abuse by law enforcement. Make them give due process

 

One issue is you have to catch them. Popup races, suspects flee in different directions in fast cars. Sure, a bunch of high speed inner city chases. What could go wrong.

Roofing nails in Jax could be as normal as ladders in ATL