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Elite acceptance of pedophilia

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by tampagtr, Feb 11, 2020.

  1. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    Not trying to make a right left issue here. Just again commenting at how shocked I am at something that I thought would be universally condemned was apparently widespread and accepted.
    I continue to feel naïve at all the Epstein revelations and how much elite society tolerated pedophilia, which I thought was a universal taboo. Here’s more evidence of my naïveté


    A Pedophile Writer Is on Trial. So Are the French Elites.
     
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  2. ElimiGator

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    Pedophilia shouldn't be a partisan issue. These people are vile and sick. The rapist too!
     
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  3. intimigator1

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    3 weeks ago the big news here was a grandfather, uncle and father all involved in the rape of a family member..a 4 year old girl.
    Hanging was the nicest suggestion given by people with much worse things hoped for by others. In a familiar theme with the US religious leaders it turned out that the grandfather was an Imam too.
     
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  4. GatorNorth

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    People in Hollywood still defend Roman Polanski. It's inexplicable.
     
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  5. Claygator

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    What a revolting story. Even more disgusting is that the pedophile views himself as a victim.
     
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  6. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    I didn't read the article as positively portraying his belief that he is a victim. Just the opposite.

    But what I did find so shocking is the fact that apparently his pedophilia was an open secret and he was still part of polite society. Who knows how many of those who hung around with Jeffrey Epstein ever actually participated? But one thing is certain from all accounts. There was no way to be around him and not know what was going on. Women in the MIT Lab tried to stage an intervention and rescue the girls that he brought with him when he was going on a tour as a big donor.

    And short of a father transporting your daughter and her friends or coaching sports teams, etc I can think of no valid reason for a grown man to be transporting and in the company of teenage girls, especially transporting them as your escorts two parties to your private island, etc. There's no way to observe that and be neutral and look the other way, and justify yourself as a moral actor.

    But apparently that's what so many did in the US and in France and who knows where else, see obvious exploitation and rape of young women by powerful men and decide not to say anything, and still hang out with those men and make them part of your social circle.
     
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  7. Claygator

    Claygator GC Hall of Fame

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    You can't be serious.

    The pedophile sure does a lot of whining in the article about how people have "abandoned" him now and how lonely he is. Comments like:

    " I feel like the dead, a dead man walking.."

    "Who are they to judge...how do they sleep.." referring to his former supporters.

    "They are showing their cowardice.." referring to former supporters who have distanced themselves from him.

    If that isn't a victim's mentality, I don't know what is.

    And he shows no remorse for the real victims.



    Sounds like victim mentality to me. N
     
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  8. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    He sees himself as a victim. There was a post in the thread, since deleted or edited, accusing the NY Times piece as portraying him sympathetically as a victim. That was what I took exception to, as that seemed reflex against the Times, not a valid critique of the NYT piece
     
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  9. lacuna

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    Would Vladamir Nabokov's controversial novel Lolita be written or even published today? Or made into a movie as it was back in the 60's and again in the late 90's?

    Probably not.
     
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  10. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    Good question. As well as the Police "Don't Stand so Close to Me" and a host of other songs whose lyrics I never gave two thoughts about until recently (The Car's "Let's Go" comes to mind) and so much of 70s and 80s cinema ("Animal House"). I applaud the progress, and acknowledge I was naive in seeing this as a robust taboo. But I'm still shocked.
     
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  11. gatorpa

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    I honestly don't even like being home alone when any of my teenager daughter's are there. I also always have my wife drive them home if the need arises. Stay above reproach.

    I also don't spend time with female co-workers out of work(unless my wife is there also).

    And before I get bashed, its not that I don't trust myself or my wife doesn't trust me, I don't trust other people...
     
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  12. vaxcardinal

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    I think you’re going overboard with your daughters
     
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  13. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    Agreed, but would say that a father transporting daughter and friends (which I did on occasion when my wife could not), is obviously an exercise that is legitimate, even if it feels awkward. IMO, there is NO benign explanation for a grown man with young girls that he is not related to, coaching, etc., accompanying him to islands, visits, social events, etc.

    It still shocks me that Epstein did not even try to hide who he was. When he toured the MIT Labs as a big donor (normal perk), he had three teenage girls in tow, which female workers in the Lab thought about "rescuing." This was common - he always had teenage girls with him when he went through society, and while some were troubled (like the MIT Lab female employees), most still kept inviting him and socializing with him.

    That is so detestable. And looks like it happened in France, too
     
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  14. gatorpa

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    If you had any idea what some teenagers are doing today you may not think that. It these are "good girls" from well to do home.

    Sending porn for money/weed. Shredding other girls because some dude takes an interest in a friend whom they like. Girls that are 13/14 having contests to see how many guys they can "suck", how old the oldest guy is they can get. One friend of ours daughter was caught making a sex video and sending it to some 28 years old for money.. she is 14. Local LEO's are on that one. This is an in upper middle class area.

    The net has made them more evil, and more bold.
     
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  15. wgbgator

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    Sure, I mean I wasn't alive then, but I don't think Lolita was received in 1955 as a straight-forward heart-warming story of love between a man and a child. In fact there's probably a great deal to be gleaned by re-reading it, as Humbert is himself a cultured elitist.
     
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  16. vaxcardinal

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    So you don’t like to be home by yourself with your daughter because she may be involved in these activities?
     
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    Not to speak for gatorpa but he may have meant his “teenage daughter’s friends”. That’s how I read it the first time though that isn’t what he typed.
     
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  18. gatorpa

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    No my daughter doesn't do that, she has told us about these things. (She says she thinks its gross).
    We also have an app that lets us see what apps she uses. There was one friend in particular that she is no longer allowed to be around.

    Generally if she has friends over my wife or son are there. I trust my daughter (but also have verified if I can trust what she says.) She isn't the one I worry about.....
     
  19. gatorpa

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    Agree
     
  20. vaxcardinal

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    Big difference...carry on
     
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