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Eight Years Of Obama. Where was the tax cut for the middle class?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ncbullgator, Jan 10, 2018.

  1. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer Premium Member

    Oct 30, 2017
    The wave in 2010 when the Republicans gained 6 Senate seats and 63 House seats.
  2. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    Dec 9, 2010
    Massachusetts happened in late 2009 and early 2010. There was a Republican wave in late 2010. If you are drawing parralels, that was a historically Democratic seat being won by a Republican, which preceded a Republican wave. This was a historically Republican seat being won by a Democrat. It has nothing to do with 2012.
  3. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 16, 2007
    That is the expectation (that it will flip back in 2020). But who knows what type of candidate the Republicans put forth in 2020. This is Alabama we are talking about. Watch the Republicans in Alabama run Rob Bentley, or some other formerly disgraced lifelong politician - who they will then present as an "outsider". :oops:

    2020 is a long way off. I'm sure the dems are just shocked to pick up Alabama heading into 2018. If nothing else, it might make the composition of the Senate interesting for the 2018 elections. 2018 Senate map favors republicans, 2020 map favors dems. The only thing that can be said is the dems basically flipped a totally unexpected seat before the 2018 election.
  4. Rocinante

    Rocinante All American

    May 28, 2013
    I came across this recently as one explanation for the why the Scandinavian countries are so happy and content. It also puts some pretext to Garrison Keeler’s tag line, “Well, that’s the news from Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average.”


    Here are the old rules of society that apparently have relevance today.

    The 10 rules of Jante Law
    1. You’re not to think you are anything special.
    2. You’re not to think you are as good as we are.
    3. You’re not to think you are smarter than we are.
    4. You’re not to convince yourself that you are better than we are.
    5. You’re not to think you know more than we do.
    6. You’re not to think you are more important than we are.
    7. You’re not to think you are good at anything.
    8. You’re not to laugh at us.
    9. You’re not to think anyone cares about you.
    10. You’re not to think you can teach us anything.
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  5. fredsanford

    fredsanford Premium Member

    Dec 1, 2008
    Dems now up 52-35 in generic congressional ballot.

    Pubs retiring everywhere you look.
  6. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 3, 2007
    You don't get more profits long-term by treating your employees badly. And corporations do not want to avoid hiring employees, because they are needed to get the work done. They don't want to hire more employees than needed, of course. But almost all companies want to grow and be successful, and that means hiring.

    Pursuing profits, therefore, can help both the company and the employee. And since both the company and the employee pay taxes, that helps the country. It would be nice if companies did not offshore jobs or over-pay executives, but it is the responsibility of gov't to make sure that the business environment in the U.S. is friendly enough to make keeping the factories profitable. High taxes, high regulations, and high potential legal liabilities all factor into a company's decision. The U.S. has a reasonably well-educated workforce, a very good infrastructure (best freight rail system in the world, etc.), and cheap energy from fracking. The U.S. should be the premier location in the world for manufacturing.

    We should identify those things that are driving companies out, and make changes so those issues are reduced. It doesn't do anyone any good to blame the system, when the system is just responding to inputs the way it was set up to do. Blame the people in charge of regulating the system--Congress! The U.S. does not need to be bled dry by useless bureaucrats and greedy lawyers. And it's Congress's job to fix that.
  7. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer Premium Member

    Oct 30, 2017
    You may want to let Wal-Mart know that.

    Unless it's cheaper for them to lay off their workforce in favor of automation or go to other countries for cheaper labor.

    Regulations and legal liability also provide consumer and worker protections and account for externalities.

    Instead, it can get bled dry by greedy corporate executives, and we can ask regular people to shoulder more of the tax burden despite soaring corporate profits.
  8. lacuna

    lacuna The Conscience of Too Hot VIP Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Good to see this on the forum, better to perhaps sees some discussion. I've listed the Laws and briefly posted about them a couple of times in the last couple of years but failed to generate any interest on the forum. Maybe 3rd time is a charm.

    One theory on why Danes are happy attributes it to the overall contentment they have in their circumstances. Ambitions and aspirations to acquire material goods or status can also generate anxieties, or other negative emotions and attitudes that erode happiness. Janteloven eliminates, or diminishes those pressures.


    All this striving can frequently cause stress and dissatisfaction with one's present circumstances, most especially if the desires for higher status or material gain are not met. These frustrations fuel more serious problems for society when those who feel thwarted resort to crime to acquire what they believe society owes them, or to what they think they are entitled.

    Children with unique talents and abilities may be overlooked, missing out on advantages that would help develop skills and knowledge of benefit to society. This is a great loss.
  9. madgator

    madgator GC Hall of Fame

    May 28, 2007
    South Florida
    Yeah I'm sure the democrats are going to flip all those seats in Texas.

    Fun fact: Of the 32 "retiring republicans" only 5 are in districts that Hillary carried in '16.
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2018
  10. madgator

    madgator GC Hall of Fame

    May 28, 2007
    South Florida
    Here's a factor

    Unlike Democrats, Republicans have rules limiting the terms of their committee chairmen to ensure turnover and give younger members a chance to advance in the House. Congress isn’t as fun with less power, and six of the seven departing GOP committee leaders would be forced out of their roles and to the back bench in 2019.