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Eight Years Of Obama. Where was the tax cut for the middle class?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ncbullgator, Jan 10, 2018.

  1. mdgator05

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    Actually 31 is correct. 21 retiring outright. 10 running for higher office. 7 Democrats are retiring outright and 8 are running for higher office.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...2018-congressional-retirement-tracker/545723/

    I don't know what those other 11 refer to, but there are quite a few districts with potential gains for Democrats in those 31. Issa, Ros-Lehtinen, Reichert, and Royce are all from districts Clinton won. Dent, LoBiondo, Poe and Trott all came from districts in which Trump won by less than 10.

    Current race standings have about 3 Republican seats being Democratic leaning. In addition, they have 16-17 tossups, and about 21 leans (where if something weird happens, which it inevitably does with enough rolls of the die, you have potential pickups). Democrats have 4 tossups and 5 leans. If Democrats split the tossups and capture their leaning Republican held seats, that would be 9 pickups. And then you have the huge disparity in leans. I think the high end of your scale is likely the low end of the potential output. And that is assuming about a +7-8% Democratic electorate. If it is higher than that (and it has been in a number of the specials), the math shifts pretty rapidly.

    I doubt that they will gain "at least" 3-4 seats this year. Current Senate ratings:

    https://www.cookpolitical.com/ratings/senate-race-ratings

    It is a bad field for Democrats, but they have 4 tossups to 3 Republican tossups right now. They do have 4 additional leans. But that would still essentially mean that Republicans would have to hold their tossups in total and split the Democratic tossups while picking up at least one lean. That seems a bit optimistic from your view.

    And 2020 is an awful field for the Republicans. They will likely gain back Alabama, but they have 22 seats up in 2020 to 11 for Democrats. I don't see how you find that as being "a few more" from a net perspective.

    Retirements are much higher in Republican seats than Democratic ones. That is actually true.
     
  2. gator_lawyer

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    I love the logic that no poll can be trusted because pollsters have been wrong in the past. It's a lot like the argument that science can't be trusted because scientists have been wrong in the past. Yay for anti-intellectualism.

    The Senate races do favor the Republicans, but then again, Alabama wasn't supposed to be vulnerable either.
     
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  3. fredsanford

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    Dems have outperformed their expected numbers by double digits in all these off years since Trump won.
     
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  4. VAg8r1

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    Are Americans really overtaxed? Combined taxes as a percentage of GDP for all advanced industrialized countries.
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. slayerxing

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    So in the OP, it says there is no tax cut. Now the goal posts have shifted to, it was a crappy tax cut.

    You should have just been more honest and said I hate dems no matter what.
     
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  6. ncbullgator

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    Can you read? Very few people received a tax cut under Obamacare. It was a pittance and went out the backdoor with higher health costs. Of course, this is what Obamacare wanted; a claim to cutting middle class taxes.The fact remains: Democrats use the private working class as a piggy bank. They had eight years and did not cut taxes for the middle class. If you work in the private sector, you should never vote for the abusers.
     
  7. ncbullgator

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    Like taxes? Move to Finland. They have government jobs there too.
     
  8. mdgator05

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    What is middle class, in your mind? Like an income range to be considered "middle class?"
     
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    Eight straight years of Republican control in Congress and the second with all 3 branches and where are we? Oh yea, about to give a trillion dollars from our kids to current billionaires and corporations. Middle class gets crumbs compared to those other entities and there is NO MONEY to give. It’s borrowed.
     
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  10. fastsix

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    They must be doing something right, it's consistently rated one of the happiest countries in the world...and that's a country where it's dark and freezing cold half the year.
     
  11. AndyGator

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    Thanks to Floki!
     
  12. fredsanford

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    This has always been a stupid thread because tax cuts come from congress and not the president. Obama suggested multiple tax cuts and passed a couple of little ones despite a GOP congress whose number 1 goal was to deny him any victories at all.
     
  13. grumpygator77

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    ... and the Alabama win for a Democrat? Dems losing seats? Who's living in a bubble?
    Trumpism is killing it alright...
     
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    Corporate America has no concern for anyone or anything (including their own country's well being) except for profits.
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  15. madgator

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    Jones is just keeping the seat warm until 2020......lest you forget Scott Brown in Massachusetts.

    same situation. if you think otherwise, you're deep in the bubble
     
  16. gator_lawyer

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    That's absolutely true, but you're missing the significance of Alabama.
     
  17. madgator

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    any less significant than Massachusetts? Not to mention it was Ted Kennedy's seat


    in the end, it meant nothing. false optics. Looks good for a second and then the reality of the picture retakes shape


    it's not a wave......its a mirage
     
  18. gator_lawyer

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    Yes. The significance of Alabama is voter turnout in an off-year election. That has consistently been a major weakness for the D's.
     
  19. mdgator05

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    But Massachusetts was a sign of a wave. A wave happened the next year. So how does similarity with Massachusetts provide evidence that this is a mirage?
     
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  20. madgator

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    What wave? in 2012 the republicans lost 8 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate


    that's not a wave.
     
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