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Duval teacher removed for reprimanding those who don't say the Pledge of Allegiance

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    A high school science teacher was removed from the classroom on the third day of school for writing this on the board.

    First Coast High teacher removed after scolding students who don't stand for pledge
     
  2. wgbgator

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    Probably the brother of that guy who beat that kid for not taking his hat off during the anthem.

    I'm sure the kids love this guy and totally don't make fun of him behind his back lol.
     
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  3. VAg8r1

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    The teacher would do well to read this Supreme Court decision.
    West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
    His excuse may be that he is a science teacher rather than a social studies teacher but even so he should have at least a rudimentary understanding of the First Amendment.
     
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  4. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    It's one thing to talk about patriotism and support for the country, it's quite another to make it about race the way he did.
     
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  5. VAg8r1

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    I guess he will have something to discuss with friends at the next MAGA rally they attend.
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    Look, its a small victory he's saying the civil war was actually about slavery. :)
     
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  7. LoyalGatorFan

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    But in the article it says the kids can only skip the pledge if their parent or guardian files a written request...I’m assuming they didn’t otherwise it would have been mentioned so they should have been standing and reciting per school board policy
     
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  8. OklahomaGator

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    Government suppression of free speech? A public school is an extension of the government I believe. This might be a first amendment violation.
     
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    Are we now going to let one side (the Leftists) decide when a teacher is teaching and when it's free speech now? Because this teaching and free speech goes both ways...
     
  11. gator_lawyer

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    He's a public employee. He doesn't get to say whatever he wants.
     
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    Teachers should not be indoctrinating students in the classroom. You're free to believe in what you want, but protest on your own time.
     
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  13. GatorFanCF

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    That’s exactly what teachers do. “Indoctrinating” is a pejorative with synonyms like persuasion, brainwashing, instruction, training.

    Unfortunately the teacher used her position of authority to try to convey her view which rarely results in good will, understanding or acceptance.
     
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  14. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Yes, the people in charge of the school get to decide how the school is run. That’s kinda how things work.
     
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  15. Gatorrick22

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    Only when the Liberals say so... seems like. :eek::rolleyes:
     
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  16. DoubleDown11

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    It's funny that having to fight a war and amend the constitution to treat black people and women as humans is seen as a positive.
     
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  17. VAg8r1

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    As I said in post #3 maybe the because the guy is a science teacher rather than a social studies teacher he has an excuse but somebody should tell him that the implicit purpose of the First Amendment is protect to the right to hold unpopular viewpoints. Someone should also tell him the forced rote repetition of the pledge along with forced ritual of standing doesn't encourage patriotism.
     
  18. WESGATORS

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    Why not just explain to the teacher that it's not his place to pressure students to stand for the pledge? People love to overreact about things. Be outraged, get somebody fired, great way to teach people how to deal with others. It's high school for crying out loud, at a minimum, it should be a productive talking point for folks to share their views on why they don't stand.

    Go GATORS!
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  19. G8trGr8t

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    Like when teachers had classes singing praises for Obama...wonder what ever happened to those teachers

    "School Children Singing the Praises of President Obama" (Apparently as a Public School Class Project): | HuffPost

    That’s not a constitutional matter — there’s no Establishment Clause for political speech, and of course schools do routinely glorify past political figures, whether Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, or what have you. They also rightly express a calm respect for current elected officials; when an official comes to visit, for instance, it’s proper for teachers to give the normal praise offered such visitors, and for students to join in.


    But that some degree of ideological indoctrination and glorification is inevitable in government-run schools, and is in fact one of the purposes of such schools (which have long been justified as means of assimilating children into American democratic culture), doesn’t mean that it’s proper to lead children in songs praising the current President or particular aspects of his political agenda (“Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans / To make this country’s economy number one again!”). I would have thought that this was pretty clear, and it probably is to most teachers in most schools — but not, unfortunately, in this instance.

    Incidentally, the 2006 “Congress, Bush and FEMA / People across our land / Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!” schoolchildren’s song to First Lady Laura Bush is pretty bad, too — not quite the same, even if it was organized as a public school activity (which I suspect would indeed be so), since it didn’t involve such extensive praise of a particular current political figure, but also not the sort of thing that schools should be doing.
     
  20. swampbabe

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    My district put out a directive on the pledge, basically said "leave it alone", perhaps Duval County put out the same directive and the teacher chose to ignore it. No sense making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    This law is on very shaky grounds constitutionally and it's irresponsible to expose your district to a lawsuit. My students stand every day as do I. If a kid wants to sit down, so be it. No need to ramp up the situation. I teach in a high school but if I taught in an elementary school I would contact the parents to make them aware.
     
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