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Dolphins say Suh-ya-later.

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by tilly, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. tilly

    tilly Superhero Moderator with bulletproof posts! Moderator VIP Member

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  2. Skink

    Skink GC Hall of Fame

    Is he still causing trouble, or is it just the salary issue?
  3. ajoseph

    ajoseph Premium Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Salary. He’s $17. Mil per year, and yet our run defense has not improved. He’s still dominant but the defense is not backing him up at all. He is not worth the money in terms of overall results.
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  4. tilly

    tilly Superhero Moderator with bulletproof posts! Moderator VIP Member

    Combo of many things. Gase has no patience for "me" type players (See Landry and Ajayi)
    He also has a bit of Belichick in him in that he will ship you away to a terrible place (Cleveland for instance).

    So Suh is a good player, but a hothead. He missed the pro-bowl 2 of his 3 seasons in Miami and is due almost $20M. Fins save $17M against the cap if they wait until June 1 to cut him.

    It's mostly a (good) money move. Sign two or three mid-level starters for that coin.
    But he is a bit of a circus too.
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  5. Skink

    Skink GC Hall of Fame

    Thanks - because I did very little watching this year. Suh was a beast when he was playing for the Lions, but a total asshole who was constantly getting in trouble on the field.
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  6. ajoseph

    ajoseph Premium Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    He did his job for the Fins. At least that is what I read. But the overall team results, well, sucked. I think it is partly the cause of scheme, which was ostensibly innovative but hasn’t translated at all to the field. (The scheme uses wide gaps, or something like it, that would be better explained by someone competent like Helix.), and partly because of the absence of any talent, particularly at linebacker. Either way, it wasn’t working
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  7. tilly

    tilly Superhero Moderator with bulletproof posts! Moderator VIP Member

    He drew double and triple teams which opens things up for others. Problem is outside of Cam Wake, no one else up front produced. And LB has been a huge issue. Alonzo is a decent player, but not a real mike backer IMO.
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  8. garettk

    garettk GC Hall of Fame

    Oct 3, 2008
    Which confirms that Dolphin Brass, like many, look to SwampGas for original thought. Has to be the case since you suggested this action merely days ago in a prior thread.:cool:
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  9. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    Nov 25, 2017
    Terrific player. This is solely a salary cap move. Miami drafted two young dts who played will last year and pushed Phillips to play better. I wish Sue could have stayed at a lower cap number.
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  10. ThePlayer

    ThePlayer VIP Member

    Apr 3, 2007
    I thought Suh was Manti Te'os (real) girlfriend. :oops:
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  11. G. Gordon Gator

    G. Gordon Gator GC Hall of Fame

    May 3, 2017
    I think you're going off his pre-Dolphins reputation, as far as him being a hothead and "a bit of a circus." Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall him having any kind of disciplinary issues at all while in Miami??

    I think he mostly kept his head down while here, but maybe too far down, frankly. By that I mean he didn't really emerge as the vocal team leader on defense I hoped he might be. His production was okay but not worth the money. So it's a good money move, like you said. I don't think his attitude really factored into it, though.
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  12. Bazza

    Bazza GC Hall of Fame

    Jan 2, 2009
    New Smyrna Beach
    Dolphins need to sign Tyrie Cleveland and Emory Jones once they leave Florida - assuming they have been 'Mullenized' by then....
  13. nease98

    nease98 Junior

    Aug 24, 2017
    Saint Augustine
    Maybe the Jags can get him on the cheap now since Miami will be paying him. Help us with the run D on an already stellar defensive core.
  14. tilly

    tilly Superhero Moderator with bulletproof posts! Moderator VIP Member

    Actually he had a couple dust ups in Miami too. The league reviewed his actions a few times. Playing beyond the whistle....unsportsmanlike stuff.

    I agree he is a better guy than he is perceived...but not really what Gase wants for the money.

    He is a great player...but not worth that type of coin. $18m goes a long way.
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    Apr 8, 2007
    Dolphins run defense was toward very bottom of league. Just did not get production from him worthy of paying big dollars for what essentially is a run stuffing DT. Not worth the cap space. As pointed out above, better to have 3 good players at that money. Can’t pay QB money to a DT Perplexing thing for me is that cutting now saves $3 million in cap, whereas cutting in June saves $18 million in cap space. If cut now, implies this is a lost year and they are in total rebuild mode for cap space in future years. Perhaps not buy season tickets for Dolphins during wasted year?
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  16. tilly

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    There is no reason to not wait until June. My guess is they are making this public hoping that the Daniel Snyders or Jerry Jones of the world will trade for another shiny object.

    But reports have his release being any day now which seems weird. But make no mistake this is about money and CULTURE. I am all for it. It's the Patriot way, why not emulate it?
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  17. tilly

    tilly Superhero Moderator with bulletproof posts! Moderator VIP Member

    QB and WR is the least of their issues. With (a healthy) Tannehill, along with (a healthy) Parker and Stills they have two legit wideouts. Team needs run stoppers and linebackers that can play in the gaps. They also need a pass catching TE.
  18. ajoseph

    ajoseph Premium Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    That’s very helpful and thanks. I thought that the cap hit for dropping him now was $3 mil (out of $20 mil), not that they only gain $3 mil to spend. All the more reason to scratch my head and wonder how much further the Fins will fall from their once lofty status in the league.
  19. Gator715

    Gator715 GC Hall of Fame

    Dec 6, 2015
    Dolphins have too many holes elsewhere to suggest otherwise... I would be on board with Suh if he were the missing piece... we have several missing pieces, unfortunately...
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  20. orangeblue_coop

    orangeblue_coop GC Hall of Fame

    Nov 19, 2016
    Good for Suh. He can sign with a contender and possibly win a championship now that he's away from the clownshow organization known as the Dolphins.