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Do academics help in recruiting?

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by here-we-go-gators, Dec 6, 2019.

  1. here-we-go-gators

    here-we-go-gators Sophomore

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    Certainly not for many recruits. A lot of top recruits care only about getting to the NFL. Some want to play right away or close to home so their parents can come up for games. Some consider getting a degree from a top school important as the majority of athletes do not make it to the pros and many get injured in college

    So basically schools emphasize what their strength is. If you are a school that has great academics like UF you highlight that. If you are school like Bama that gets a lot of athletes to the pros you emphasize that. Some schools have more than one attribute like Bama which has NFL, head coach and facility things to brag about. Bama recently has higher turnover in assistant coaches and don't be surprised if their defensive coordinator gets fired.

    UF can emphasize to top south Florida athletes that we have better academics, are closer to home and have put many players in the NFL also. With many of Mullen's assistants being with him for much longer than most other team's assistant coaches that may appeal to some recruits.

    Bottom line is you emphasize your strength and one of UF's is academics and our Farrior academic center.

    Many recruits could care less about academics and will like other things that UF offers. However, to not highlight one of your strengths to recruits that other schools cannot offer is not wise.

    In December of 2021 we will finally be able to talk about a stand alone football center as a strength. Been a long wait.
     
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  2. believer

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    I think academics hurt more than they help. Good athletes, in general, don’t want to learn. They want to play.
     
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  3. RayGator

    RayGator Moderator VIP Member

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    I would hope so but you just can’t be too sure anymore. As for the NFL, players leaving early for it over the years has gotten worse. Whereas MLB teams have their own farm system of lower division teams to help train their new young guys, in the NFL college football teams provide a Free Farm System to get these guys ready. Yet, NFL teams never compensate college teams for coaching and training young guys to get them ready for playing in the NFL some day.
     
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  4. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

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    UF does emphasize it, when the us news rankings came out this year it was the first thing Mullen mentioned in his presser.
    And while obviously not directly comparable, if you read the recruitment quotes across our other sports, academics are mentioned by a majority of the signees.

    But in football specifically, in their decision making, kids are considering:

    Who they grew up rooting for
    Who their parents root for
    How well the interact with the coaches
    Stability of the coaches
    Available playing time
    Scheme fit
    Facilities
    Fan support
    School football prestige and their recent success
    Conference football prestige
    Academic support
    Distance from home
    Whether they put people in the nfl
    Team culture
    And yeah, academics.

    So even if you gave it overweight value on that list, it probably isn’t more than 10 percent of the decision. We should still stress it because every delineator matters, and the kids that care about academics are probably safer risks.
     
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  5. here-we-go-gators

    here-we-go-gators Sophomore

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    Nice list of things recruits like. A school should emphasize things it has that others don't . Most can't match UF 's academics so makes sense to emphasize academics to the recruits that it does matter to. Could help to have good high school student athletes who can learn college defenses and offenses quicker.
     
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  6. thale410

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    Academics play more to the parents than the kids. It's part of winning mom and pop and leveraging whatever influence they have.

    Reality though is that if the family isn't plugged into higher education already, there isn't much to set one school apart from another. Especially when you are talking about undergraduate degrees.

    Most P5, top 300 recruits are going to get the same value at whatever school they attend given the typical majors studied. Networking and visibility will mean more than the degree from a particular school for those that don't make it to the league.
     
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  7. here-we-go-gators

    here-we-go-gators Sophomore

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    Totally agree on parents importance. Hopefully getting the unplugged parents you are speaking of into our Farrior academic center and teaching them the hard facts can help UF.

    The unplugged parents you speak of may not be aware of the brutal odds of making the NFL and how a huge alumni base like UF's can help their son get a good job if they get injured or don't make the pros. We have to educate those unplugged parents.
     
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  8. here-we-go-gators

    here-we-go-gators Sophomore

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    Academics definitely won't help with many. The question is if those self focused players are good teammates? Some may think they should play in front of more experienced upperclassmen. They may jump ship with the new transfer portal.
     
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  9. TrueGator

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    Yes, good students and also parents with high academic intentions for their kids are swayed by good academics at the school. The rest are probably just majoring in football and only care about the quality of the football program. And, hey, I guess that's a great high-paying employment field; there just aren't many jobs to go around. I'd still rather have high academic standards, regardless. FSU can accommodate the rest.
     
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  10. believer

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    Possible they are not, but unfortunately without those players it is impossible to win championships.

    I just want to clarify it’s not a knock, but logically speaking if you plan on having an nfl career you probably don’t care about what your major is. If you care about your academics, you probably aren’t good enough to play in the nfl. There are exceptions of course, but in general this will be the case.
     
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  11. volungator

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    It rarely if ever hinders recruiting and occasionally helps. When comparing academics of UF and Miami there is little to no difference. The smaller (confined) UM campus will appeal to some.
     
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  12. here-we-go-gators

    here-we-go-gators Sophomore

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    Exactly! There is so much uncertainty with the transfer portal and early NFL departures that it is hard to be sure.

    Hopefully the players who do value academics stick around longer or at the very least learn the plays and schemes quicker. UF should have a better shot at the players who do value academics.
     
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  13. GratorGator

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    Please don't depress me anymore.
     
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  14. ColoradoNoVaGator

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    if you're looking at 4 and 5 star players, I think the only thing that the majority of them really care about is getting to the show and getting that first paycheck. They know that they're good and they know that a payday is fairly likely, barring the unexpected. And kids of this age simply don't do a great job of realistically evaluating odds.
     
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  15. here-we-go-gators

    here-we-go-gators Sophomore

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    Nothing wrong with going after athletes that have it all that can make the NFL. There is a reason why the NFL makes players take an intelligence test before the draft. The NFL likes the full package of intelligence and athleticism combined if possible. They can be great team leaders.
     
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  16. grouchygator

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    1) Peers
    2) Parents
    3) Payday (NFL)
     
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  17. twodaparty

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    Myron Rolle said academics were first and foremost and then chose f$u over UF! Remember that guys? Bwahahahaha!
     
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  18. here-we-go-gators

    here-we-go-gators Sophomore

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    Lots of former Gators getting NFL paychecks.

    Hopefully UF can get some of the rare players with the full package of academics and athleticism.

    When we get our new stand alone facility we can attract players looking for facilities to enhance their NFL development. Add on to that the fact that Mullen is a great developer of talent.

    In the 2019 draft there were 3 NFL first round draft picks that Mullen developed at Mississippi State.

    With Mullen developing the #1 NFL draft pick Alex Smith at Utah, Heiman winner Tebow, and Dak Prescott hopefully we pull in another top QB prospect to UF. What Mullen has done with Trask is also impressive.
     
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  19. here-we-go-gators

    here-we-go-gators Sophomore

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    Nobody gets them all.

    By the way Rolle made a really stupid decision chosing FSU in 2006. If he chose UF in 2006 he would have gotten two national championship rings instead of playing for a mediocre FSU team those years.

    Looking at players considered to be some of the smartest in the NFL include:
    Andrew Luck chose high rated Stanford.
    Alex Smith played for Mullen in college (has one of the highest Wunderlic scores ever playing for Mullen does not hurt)
    Tom Brady chose high rated Michigan.
    Drew Brees went to high rated Purdue
    Richard Sherman chose Stanford
    Tiki and Rhonde Barber chose UVA
    Desmond Bryant chose Harvard
    Charles Wooden chose Michigan
     
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  20. gatordavisl

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    There's a big difference between planning/wanting an NFL career and seeing it happen. According to the ncaa's estimate, 1.6% of ncaa football players makes the NFL. That number may include all levels, so the DI % would be higher, but still likely below 10%.
    Estimated probability of competing in professional athletics

    And guess what % of DI football players graduate? In 2009, that # was in the 60s. In 2019, 78% of DI football athletes graduated. Given the fact that so many of them actually will end up working in their degree area, they better care about their major. Looking at the high graduation rate, I think it's safe to say that football athletes very much care about what their major is.
     
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