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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jul 13, 2019.

  1. PITBOSS

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    Trump is making bad decisions due to his inferiority issues with Obama.

    “President Trump appeared to be abandoning the nuclear deal for "personality reasons" because the pact had been agreed by his predecessor, Barack Obama.“

    the White House did not have a "day-to-day" strategy of what to do following withdrawal from the deal.”

    “That prompted a furious response from the US president, who described Sir Kim as "a very stupid guy"

    Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal 'to spite Obama'
     
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  2. uftaipan

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    Recommend a good proofread before hitting “post.”
     
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  3. boligator

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    What a "SNOWFLAKE"....
     
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  4. sovietgator

    sovietgator Lighten up Jan Brady (Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!!)

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    This is what it all stems from. Nobody had ever publicly picked on that maroon until this point.

    The expressions on his face and body language are priceless. Take a look at the other criminal nitwit sitting to his left at his table.

    Talk about an inferiority complex and carrying a grudge.

     
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  5. sovietgator

    sovietgator Lighten up Jan Brady (Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!!)

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  6. uftaipan

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    I don’t doubt that the President’s feelings towards Obama played a role in his decision. And I don’t doubt that he verbalized it in front of others. Did anyone doubt that? And, more importantly, so what?

    It does not seem to change the basic elements of what we’ve debated on here:

    1. Was the deal good or even the best that was possible?

    2. Was the deal hurried through regardless of its quality for political reasons?

    3. Was it right to bypass the Senate’s Constitutional duty to advise and consent to treaties?

    We have some different answers to those questions, but whether this President’s motives were pure as the driven snow (they were not, of course) do not seem change the answers to any of those questions. That deal is dead, gone forever. I don’t see how this Aha! moment changes anyone’s perception about any aspect of this. If you want to discuss how a new, properly ratified treaty should read, then I’m all ears.
     
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  7. OldCowboy

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    Wow! So in what way is Trump inferior to Obama? Toughness? IQ? Common sense? Courage? Patriotism? Economy? Putting Americans first? Bringing back jobs to blighted areas? Wisdom? Vision (socialism vs Capitalism)?
     
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  8. homer

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    He hurts peoples feelings with mean tweets?
     
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  9. carpeveritas

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    Let's see Sir Kim resigns over leaked memos amid his complaints of appeared and seemingly accusations against President Trump with regards to Iran. More likely Sir Kim was told to resign or be fired. What's worse is this has started an investigation of the leaked memo. Appears to me the UK believes Sir Kim has done more to damage our relations with the UK than anything President Trump said or did for that matter.

    Police launch probe into Trump email 'leak'
     
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  10. BigCypressGator1981

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    I think it drives trump crazy that Obama was so much more popular, liked and respected than he is.
     
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  11. 96Gatorcise

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    He resigned because the future PM(Johnson) refused to support his own ambassador.
    Then after the resignation Johnson comes out and says he should have supported him.
     
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  12. PITBOSS

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    Yes. For starters at least Obama was brave enough to throw out the first pitch and stand in the rain to give a speech. Trump was not.
     
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  13. OldCowboy

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    I don't know about Trump but it I question the sanity & wisdom of anyone that prefers Obama over Trump as president.
     
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  14. GatorFanCF

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    2.5 years into his Presidency- NEWSFLASH!!! Trump is different and does things differently. Maybe in year 7 of his Presidency people will get that he doesn’t do things like his predecessors.

    In other news, all this “deal” was is a “framework” for a deal. It’s similar to an offer on the purchase of a home - it’s a LONG, LONG way between acceptance of an initial offer and closing on the home. Likely, it was Iran stringing a long the West to try to get sanctions lifted. Did Iran sign the actual “deal”? I have not seen they have. There is/was no deal. It was a broad idea of a deal.
     
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    "The JCPOA did not represent America’s word, it represented Obama’s word. Our Constitution and our laws are no secret. Our European allies know full well that a president has no power unilaterally to bind the United States to an international agreement. We give our word when we enter a treaty or enact legislation that cements commitments. Obama did not seek to make his deal a treaty precisely because he knew America was not giving its word — the public did not support the deal, which would have been roundly defeated if subjected to the Constitution’s process for ratifying international commitments."
    http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2018/05/08/trump-dumps-iran-deal-hallelujah-andrew-mccarthy/
     
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  16. wrpgator

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    Trump Dumps Iran Deal | National Review
    "Obama administration’s injection of well over a hundred billion dollars — some of it in the form of cash bribes — into the coffers of the world’s leading state sponsor of anti-American terrorism (Kerry grudgingly confessed that a slice would still be diverted to the jihad)...after repeatedly vowing to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons (with signature “If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance” candor). President Obama, and his trusty factotum John Kerry, made an agreement that guaranteed Iran would obtain a nuclear weapon.

    The deal was a farce that literally obligated the United States not merely to accede to Iran’s enrichment of uranium but to help protect Iran’s nuclear facilities. (See JCPOA Article 10, Annex III, Sec. 10 (“Nuclear Security”): obliging the U.S. to help strengthen Iran’s ability to “prevent, protect and respond to nuclear security threats to nuclear facilities,” including “sabotage.”)...every time the president recertified the deal, as federal law required, he had to make two representations, neither of which was ever true: (a) that Iran was “transparently, verifiably, and fully implementing the agreement,” and (b) that continuing the JCPOA was “vital to the national security interests of the United States.” The Obama administration spared Iran from revealing the history of its nuclear program, which would have been necessary to establish a baseline for compliance purposes; it cut side deals — concealed from Congress — that made verification procedures an impenetrable private arrangement between Iran and the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency; and it agreed to limits on what IAEA was allowed to report about Iranian violations (see former longtime national-security official Fred Fleitz’s analysis, here)."
     
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  17. chemgator

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    Wow! That is some shallow analysis you have there! Haha! No, of course Trump did not end the Iranian treaty because he feels inferior to Obama. Trump would have to have an extremely low opinion of himself to think that he's worse than the worst president in over 80 years. Please! Anyone with a working brain recognized that Obama's deal with Iran was heavily flawed, and in general relied on Iran to (a) do the right thing and not make nuclear weapons; AND (b) tell us if they ever decided to do the wrong thing and make nuclear weapons. Obama's motto was: "We trust, you verify".

    It's highly disturbing that members of the liberal press cannot see past the nose on their own face and see that this was a bad deal, and that Trump opposed it on that basis alone. Half the country knew it was a bad deal when Obama came up with it. The other half was too busy worshiping their messiah and expressing pride that he had A DEAL to ask whether it was a good deal or a bad deal. The rest of the country knew better than to trust a country that kidnapped hundreds of Americans, made heroes and presidents out of the kidnappers, sent foreign aid into Iraq for the purpose of killing American troops, and frequently shouted "Death to America". Only a dope like Obama would ignore all that history.

    Obama had a hard time seeing because he was always leading from behind.
     
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  18. wrpgator

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    "Thousands of files seized from inside Iran definitively prove that the Islamic Republic has been deceiving the international community all along. The regime lied [OMG!! I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!] to the International Atomic Energy Agency about the existence of a nuclear-weapons program, and, in direct violation of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), hid its massive archive of nuclear know-how."
    Iran Deal: Israeli Intelligence Bombshell Is Final Straw | National Review
     
  19. gatorpika

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    The Obama thing might have factored in, but these leaks don't really tell us anything other than the opinion of Sir Kim. He is a foreign ambassador, not a member of the cabinet or WH official, so he wasn't in the room when this stuff was decided. He doesn't have some inside source. He said:

    "The outcome illustrated the paradox of this White House: you got exceptional access, seeing everyone short of the president; but on the substance, the administration is set upon an act of diplomatic vandalism, seemingly for ideological and personality reasons - it was Obama's deal.

    He is speculating and doesn't have any more special insight than your average reporter. He also said that he couldn't get much out of the administration as to the reasoning other than it was a campaign promise. Put that together with the tone of the other leaks and it's obvious this guy had a bad relationship with the administration and was conveying that to his bosses in London. Could it be Obama spite? Sure and that would be in character for this guy but this leak doesn't give us any special insight.
     
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  20. BigCypressGator1981

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    Then you question the sanity of the vast majority of the civilized world.
     
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