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DHS slams NYT for story about suspect who raped corpse: ‘Refused to mention’ he’s an ‘ILLEGAL alien’

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by flgator2, May 4, 2025 at 3:57 AM.

  1. AzCatFan

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    Who is advocating keeping aliens with a criminal record in this country? Assuming a proper conviction, after completing the v sentence, aliens with a felony conviction should be deported. Who has argued otherwise?

    If you bring up Abrego Garcia, I'll remind you he currently has 34 less felony convictions than our President, which equals zero. In fact, AG currently has no criminal record. What is being advocated on his behalf is his right to due process. Something the Supreme Court says he deserves.
     
  2. GatorRade

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    Right here
    I would just humbly suggest that if you believe there are millions of people out there wanting to defend post-mortem rapists, appearances are deceiving. As often are political judgements.
     
  3. Norcaligator

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  4. GatorRade

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    Jail those convicted of crimes, and don’t jail those who haven’t. Just like we all learned in elementary school.
    I’m not really sure why this point is so difficult to grasp.

    Jonah Goldberg, founder of the Nation Review and author of Liberal Fascism, is hardly a lefty, and he understands the point very clearly:

    This framing—“Abrego Garcia innocent and good” vs. “Abrego Garcia guilty and bad”—is what is so stupid. None of the relevant legal and constitutional issues have anything to do with whether he is good (or a father). By insisting that Abrego Garcia is an innocent man, Democrats are implying that if he were not innocent, what the Trump administration has done to him would be unobjectionable.​

    The relevant questions are whether the administration has the power to bypass due process—a right conferred even to illegal immigrants—and whether it has to try to remedy the mistake it made in sending Abrego Garcia to a foreign prison.

    The idea that the government can simply assert that people on American soil, possibly including American citizens or legal residents, are criminals or terrorists runs completely counter to our legal system. The government has broad authority to deport illegal immigrants. It also has the authority to put convicted criminals in any prison it deems appropriate. It doesn’t have any authority to put people in prison without first proving—in court—that they are charging the right person and then convicting them of a crime.​

    Why Kilmar Abrego Garcia Deserves Due Process
     
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  5. Norcaligator

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    First they came for the communists....
     
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  6. demosthenes

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    There was actually some good that came of the crappy paper straws. People hated them so much someone developed biodegradable vegetable plastic straws that work just the same as regular plastic straws. That’s what I see where I’m at.
     
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  7. vaxcardinal

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    Oh great, now everything I drink is going to have a broccoli aftertaste
     
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  8. demosthenes

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    I’m sure you could choose brussel sprout if you prefer.
     
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  9. VAg8r1

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    The reality is that the percentage of serious crimes committed by undocumented immigrants is so small that you and the right-wing media that you cite or use for links are so obsessed with validating the narrative the illegals are disproportionately responsible for violent crimes when in fact the opposite is true that you feel compelled to cite every instance in which an illegal has committed or is alleged to have committed a serious violent crime to substantiate your narrative. In your mind it's not the crime that matters but the immigration status of the criminal.
     
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  10. GolphinGator

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    It seems a few liberal judges are or were anyway.
     
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  11. demosthenes

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    False, they are ruling that we, as a country, are to follow the rule of law. This doesn’t mean keeping illegal aliens in the country permanently and it doesn’t mean letting them wander around the streets. They can be detained per our laws and provided due process and then deported.
     
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  12. GolphinGator

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    A small percentage of crimes and murders are committed with AR15 but the libs on the left want to get rid of them. Of course the libs didn't seem to have a problem with the fenetal coming over the border and people dying because of it while Biden was in office and whoever was running the country did nothing about it. All the libs on here act like they are so smart but at the same time they and the liberal press didn't realize that Joe Biden had lost his mind until he had been stumbling around for 3 1/2 years. At least that was the story before the ran him off. But now they know everything about the illegals and the economy and what a president should be doing.
     
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  13. AzCatFan

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    We can discuss guns in a different thread. But the overwhelming majority of mass shootings are carried out my AR-15 or similar guns. Statistically, immigrants are responsible for less violent crimes per capita than citizens.

    As for Biden, the narrative be did nothing is incorrect. He also supported the bipartisan immigration bill that would increase the number of immigration judges. A bill Trump killed. Deport or stay, the bare minimum the immigrants deserve is the due process afforded by the Constitution.
     
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    Are straws really that important to you? I thought the right represented the alpha male. I never pictured them walking around sipping from straws
     
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    Perhaps you’ve labeled me wrong
     
  16. demosthenes

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    I’ve come to appreciate vax’s sense of humor. Assume most posts are tongue in cheek.
     
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  17. VAg8r1

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    Your analogy with the AR15 fails completely. While AR15s and similar semiautomatic rifles with high capacity magazines are actually responsible for a small percentage of homicides in which firearms are used (most homicides are committed with handguns) a disproportionate share of mass killings in which are there are large numbers of victims are committed with those weapons, the Parkland, Uvalde and Sandy Hook school shootings coming to mind all of resulted in the deaths of at least 17 victims. As far as Biden is concerned he declined significantly during his last year in office. Trump is probably more cognitively diminished now than Biden was during his first year in office. As far as fentanyl is concerned the overwhelming majority of enters in the US through legal ports of entry in which it is smuggled by being combined with legal freight and although you are probably unaware there were significant seizures of the drug during the Biden Administration.

    FYI During the Biden Adminstration:
    2021:
    • 95% of fentanyl seized by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) occurred at a port of entry or a Border Patrol vehicle checkpoint.
    • In San Diego, California, fentanyl seizures were up by approximately 323 percent compared to 2019, with seizures increasing from 1,599 pounds in 2019 to 6,767 in 2021.
    2022:
    • Fentanyl seizures increased significantly compared to 2021, and continued to rise slightly in 2023.
    • Homeland Security (.gov) seized more than 1.8 million pounds of narcotics and 14,700 pounds of fentanyl in Fiscal Year 2022.
    • The DEA.gov reports a significant increase in fentanyl trafficking offenses since 2018.
    2023:
    • CBP seized 26,718 pounds of fentanyl.
    • California National Guard-supported operations led to the record seizure of 62,224 pounds of fentanyl in California and the state's ports of entry, a 1066% increase since 2021.
    • Homeland Security (.gov) launched operations in March to curb the flow of fentanyl, resulting in 156 arrests and the prevention of over 5,600 pounds of fentanyl from entering the U.S. in the first month.
    2024:
    • CBP seized 21,148 pounds of fentanyl, a decrease of 26% compared to 2023.
    • 86.1% of fentanyl seizures occurred at official border crossings.
    • The DEA.gov seized more than 60 million fentanyl-laced fake pills and nearly 8,000 pounds of fentanyl powder.
    • Of those arrested for possessing fentanyl at ports of entry between 2019 and 2024, 80.2% were U.S. citizens.
     
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    LOL, sure. And Trump is addressing this through his tariffs. :)
     
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    Corpses always declining consent
     
  20. GolphinGator

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    Those stats tell me they were not stopping it at the border and that is why there was more seized at the ports. The amounts growing just proves there was more headed into the US. I would bet there was a lot more getting in then there was seized anywhere.

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