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Despite Being Best Candidate Biden Being Pushed Aside

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by madgator, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. AgingGator

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    As a "rightie" I would say that Biden is the only one in the names that I have seen that I really fear.
     
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  2. citygator

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    This is a br’er rabbit taunt. “Don’t throw us in the Joe Biden patch!”
     
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  3. PITBOSS

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    JFK, RFK, carter, Hart, Dukakis, Clinton, gore, Obama

    The party has a history of supporting somewhat younger canidates. With a few exceptions at least under 55. But definitely vs over 70.
     
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  4. mdgator05

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    Beto would be a terrible choice as VP, and I say that as somebody who likes him as a Presidential candidate. He doesn't offer much from that spot
    His experience doesn't make him the old hand balancing a less experienced candidate, a la Biden. He doesn't provide any geographic or demographic advantages (although I think these are overrated). Plus, I think there is serious potential for people wondering if he should be the top of the ticket given his abilities, which is something that most candidates try to avoid. He isnt a great attack dog. He has a very distinct and relatively unique style that would be difficult to mold to the top of the ticket's messaging. Basically, the only thing he does well from that position is raise small money, but VPs are often the person you want raising big money at events where your candidate shouldn't be seen. That isnt his strength either.

    If there is a white male VP candidate, it would be more likely to be somebody like Hickenlooper or Sherrod Brown.
     
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  5. OaktownGator

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    Sounds like more projected victimhood from white "conservative" males.

    Now just calling themselves looking out for white males wanting to run as Dems, when they really don't give a shit.

    Although its possible he could beat Trump, Biden is not a good candidate for POTUS because he's just not the sharpest tool in the shed and age isn't helping.

    What I would like to see is Biden calling out Trump on his "taking people out behind the woodshed" rhetoric. Biden would lay a good, and very well deserved beat down on Trump.
     
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  6. AgingGator

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    Not at all. Biden makes unforced errors, but they are relatively minor and because he is a likeable Guy they are generally overlooked. He also very much appeals to the older democrats who while liberal, do not like the hard left turn that the party is taking.

    He would certainly get some crossover votes. Biden would probably be a fun guy to go have a few beers with.

    Beto, Harris, Warren, Booker all make forced errors and are generally not likeable people.
     
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  7. madgator

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    I've had drinks/meal with his brother......pretty good guy actually
     
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  8. gator_lawyer

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    Then, it's not racial.

    Well, none of us know who will be at the top of the ticket, but it is undeniable that there is a lot of enthusiasm for Bernie and Beto. Thus, you shouldn't be arguing that it's a racial issue when the real issue seems to be Biden.
     
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  9. StrangeGator

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    Beto needs to run hard until it looks like he's hurting more qualified, more viable candidates, then get out of the way and back the frontrunner. I want to see him grow to middle age in the house, then maybe the senate and finally take a stab at it in 2028 or so. Letting him run now would be like uncorking a bottle of 1961 Chateau Petrus in 1962. He's not ready and he would leave a terrible taste in our mouths.
     
  10. gator_lawyer

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    The Democrats don't care if Republicans find their candidates to be likable. As soon as that candidate is the opposition, he or she will no longer be likable to those same Republicans either ways. It's humorous to me how many staunch Republicans/conservatives believe they can speak for Democrats/liberals.
     
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  11. gator_lawyer

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    Disagree. I think he's ready now and is the perfect foil for Trump.
     
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  12. mutz87

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    Certainly does sound like victimhood. Buddha knows that white cons have a deep desire for victim status.

    I really like Biden, but even I'm hesitant about him and it has nothing to do with his being a white male. Were he to get elected, it would be right before he turns 78. And quite honestly, though understandably, he seems to have missed that opportunity with the last election. Had he run, he likely would have won. Then again...

    Every tool in the shed and in every other shed is sharper than the one in the WH now. :)
     
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  13. wgbgator

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    I think Biden polls well purely because of name recognition. If he were to start campaigning I think his support would evaporate, particularly when he does what Biden does and with all the gaffes and groping.
     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    The "Base" of both parties is the problem. The sooner more of us are willing to vote off base the better. We desperately need open primaries required for every election so we can rid ourselves of the bases. We have maybe 40% of voters telling the other 60% who they can vote for.
     
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  15. wgbgator

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    Open primaries are a good idea, but I honestly don't think the results would be different. Independents are basically partisan in their voting habits too. And just the concept of primaries in general more or less means the turnout is geared toward "super voters" i.e. the ones who vote in every single election and primary. I can tell you that the "progressive" wing of the Democratic party is in favor of open primaries, so I don't think they think it will result in less progressive candidates getting a shot.
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    This reminds me of the other strange thing Biden's been doing in public remarks lately, he's been doing the "millenials need to shut up and get a dang job" bit, which is I guess older boomers like, but aint gonna win you a primary.
     
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  17. PerSeGator

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    1000% this. The more politically threatening a Democratic politician is, the more awful they become. I remember the Republican machine going full force behind Obama when he was campaigning against Hillary, only to take a complete 180 the moment he sealed the nomination. It's actually kind of amusing watching Republicans try to figure out this race. There's no clear front runner, so the plan seems to be to attack everyone in the field as the "worst group of candidates, maybe ever," and claim those not in the field (and unlikely to run) are the true good guys. Totally not transparent at all.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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  18. Emmitto

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    Biden getting mad love from the right, LOL. I wonder why?

    He'll be in it until the end, on stage to talk smack to the other old AF guy in the race. Then he'll endorse whoever actually wins. When you type in Joe Biden in Google the first auto fill is "age". Ruh-roh.

    Also LMAO at the "glass ceiling for white men" VP spot. Literally only one spot higher, and pretty much an auto-run spot. Except for colossal duds like Quayle, most run, many win the nomination, and some win it all. Bush, Gore, Mondale, Nixon, and of course a bunch of the old timers. Pence already has the 2024 fliers printed. Biden dropped out in 2015 after his son died or he'd have been right in it.

    I hope if I ever get glass-ceilinged, it's just like this.
     
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  19. AgingGator

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    Believe me, the last thing in the world I would want to do is speak for a Democrat so you can drop the condescension!

    Contrary to people like you, many if not most people normally get along fine with people that they don’t share political ideology with. My next door neighbor is as liberal as they come. But I like him, and he is a good neighbor.

    Likability is personality driven, not ideologically driven.
     
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  20. wgbgator

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    I could just as easily see him getting like 2% of the vote in Iowa and calling it a day right after.
     
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