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Depp - Heard trial

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Bazza, Jun 1, 2022.

  1. CaptUSMCNole

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    So what do you define as "beating"? It is like pornography? You know it when you see it? Apparently, the jury saw it all and came to a very different conclusion than you are seeming to draw.
     
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  2. wgbgator

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    I don't care what a woman does to a man if its not some kind of attack with a deadly weapon, there is really no justification to lay a hand back on her when you can simply leave.
     
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    Do you consider a bottle of vodka being thrown at your head a deadly weapon?
     
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    I got the sense they were both emotionally abusive, but I'm not convinced he was physically abusing her. I think it was his burden to prove she lied with malice, which is why I was surprised he won on his claim. I thought there were enough questions that the jury wouldn't punish her for speaking out. I also fear the case might discourage some women from talking about domestic violence. On the other hand, I watched a good bit of her testimony, and IMO her answers, body language, etc., seemed very off. I just think the jurors didn't believe her.
     
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  7. 92gator

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    I actually appreciate this perspective--though I can't go so far as to agree with it.

    The law is the law, and oughtn't distinguish b/t gender, race, etc.

    A white man can be as much a victim as a little black girl, and a white woman can be as much a murderer or abuser, as a big bad man of any race, color etc.

    If a person engages in criminal or tortious conduct, that's what they ought to be judged on, not their perceived capacity to perpetrate such (or not), according to their gender, age, or what have you.

    jmho/fwiw.
     
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  8. 92gator

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    I'm sure there's waaaayyyyy more to come--hence just 'a taste'.

    I'm sure we can count on the return of Jack Sparrow, return of Aquaman's love interest...perhaps even Rum Diaries II, and dare I say--JD and AH....getting back together!

    :eek::eek::eek:
     
  9. wgbgator

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    The law lets you start a fight with someone, get your ass kicked, and then kill them with a gun in self-defense. That's still coward shit. Maybe the law lets you sock your wife if she comes at you with a knife. Still coward shit, when you can remove yourself from the situation. I remember when I was a kid, when my Dad would get mad at my mom or us kids, he'd get in his car and cool off. Did I like that he'd leave when I was a kid not knowing he'd come back? No. But I certainly respect it more now than if he'd taken out that anger on my mom or us.
     
  10. CaptUSMCNole

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    No and don't try and put words in my mouth in this situation because that is gross.

    I think we have shown that there is nothing anyone on this board can say that will make you reconsider your opinion so there is no reason to continue to try.
     
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  11. wgbgator

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    I dont know, in a system where the burden of proof was higher, the judge ruled that 12 or 14 alleged assaults met the standard in civil court, and ruled that a newspaper was justified in calling him a "wife-beater."

    Johnny Depp trial: how the judge ruled on 14 alleged assaults

     
  12. 92gator

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    My dad kicked the shit out of me--made me tougher (...which came rather useful in HS and college and after...). I still love and respect him.

    He never laid a hand on my mom. I love and respect him immensely for that, and am eternally grateful for it too.

    Like I said, I get where you're coming from, and I appreciate the perspective--but you just can't draw a clear line along those lines, in the law.

    You've got to judge the conduct--just as you do under SYG law that you mentioned.

    Hence these trials, where alleged facts are developed and adjudged.

    Our system may not be perfect, but it's pretty damn solid.

    In this case, as farsical as it may have been, and where ever one falls wrt the result, you can't deny that both parties were given a fighting chance to make their case.
     
  13. mutz87

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    Same underlying acts that drove the cases per se but not the exact same cases. However, they both had lower standards of proof, i.e. the burden wasn't BARD so you're basically left with the parties who had the burden to do so at a lower preponderance of evidence, one decided by a judge, one by a jury. This imo shouldn't mean that the UK case was necessarily the correct decision but the US one was not.
     
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  14. mutz87

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    I get your concern and share in it to an extent. After all, this case might end up having an effect in how courts treat defamation cases. Same time, I would hope the courts would be hesitant to changing an views of free speech or of what is or isn't defamation based on messy marital relations among celebrities or even based on martial relations among non-celebrities. Too messy for broad lessons to be gleaned.
     
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    The issue is less with the courts and more with the chilling effect it will have on victims speaking out in the future. Although, it may also push parties in the future to settle rather than risk a jury ruling this sort of way.
     
  16. mutz87

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    I hear you.

    Though I'll admit that I'm not the most sympathetic to victimization claims in the legal realm when (as it seems here), there is mutually abusive behavior.