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Covid-19: Treatments, Cures, and Vaccines

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by exiledgator, Apr 10, 2020.

  1. gatorpa

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    We don't need to vaccinate all kids to get herd immunity
     
  2. VAg8r1

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    Or the right, some of whom still think Covid is hoax based the proclamation of their Dear Leader over a year ago.
    Supermarket owner believes coronavirus pandemic is a hoax
    Although it's no longer available, as recently as a couple of months ago this was an Amazon best seller.
     
  3. danmann65

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    But it will get us there quicker.
     
  4. danmann65

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    No she wasn't. Cancer had so ravaged her body that she wasnt able to be vaccinated. I should have never brought my sister into this. This is making your stupid comments feel personal.
     
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  5. gatorpa

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    Sorry about your sister.:(

    But certainly if she can't get the vaccine then the family that wishes to see her should all get it. That doesn't mean it needs to be forced upon people(kids) of which there is at BEST minimal study and who have exceedingly low mortality.
     
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  6. ncargat1

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    I will continue to attack anyone who tells me that htey are not getting the shot becuase the Government is using it to control them, it will modify their DNA or any one of 300 other insane ideas.

    When people who are half way educated on the subject say to me "these are not fully approved vaccines and the extent of the side effects, both minor and major have not been characterized so I am not in a hurry to get one", I have zero argument with that, because I have educated myself and agree with those points.

    What we are really seeing is that when you attempt to address an entire population, nearly 360 million in the US alone, the small nuanced, anomalies many people have with their immune systems and might go an entire lifetime without trigger or notice are all being triggered.

    Then it is just averages 30 people with clotting out of 3.2 million vaccinated by AZ so far is not bad.....unless you are one of the 30.

    Also, as noted above, the J&J vaccine and the AZ vaccine share a similar technology, so wondered if there is something to that?
     
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  7. danmann65

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    So she should have spent her last days in a hermetically sealed room? Unable to go outside and enjoy nature in her last days? Every healthy person should choose to get the vaccine. I am incredulous that educated people can come up with reasons not to.
     
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  8. duchen

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    Vaccinating kids is not a simple idea.

    Coronavirus: 100 doctors express opposition to vaccinating children

    “We believe there is no room for vaccinating children at this time [due to] caution, modesty, the understanding that ‘haste is from the devil’; the recognition that we do not understand everything about the virus and the vaccine against it; and the first commandment of medicine: ‘First, do not harm,’” they said in a letter to the Health Ministry on Sunday.


    The authors of the letter said vaccinating children is not appropriate at this time because putting even a few children at risk of unknown side effects is not worth the protection it will afford them against a disease they say is not dangerous to children.

    Prof. Shlomo Vinker, chief medical director of Leumit Health Care Services, said the authors of the letter should remember that infection rates in Israel are only falling because of the massive vaccination campaign. Nine children had died from the coronavirus, and 120 children had entered intensive-care units, including 60 had suffered cardiac syndromes, he told Army Radio on Monday.

    Israeli pediatricians plan to issue call for parents to vaccinate under-16s

    The Israeli Pediatric Association is planning to publish a call for parents and family doctors to vaccinate their children as soon as the Pfizer vaccine is approved for those under 16, Kan news reported Sunday.

    The plan to publish the letter comes after a group of 93 doctors signed on to a separate letter urging the government to hold off on vaccinating children below the age of 16 until more is learned about the coronavirus and the inoculation’s impact.

    Israel has so far vaccinated some 600 children between the ages of 12 and 16 in at-risk groups against the coronavirus with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and has seen no significant side effects from the shot, a top health official said last month.

    The Israeli children who have been approved by medical authorities for vaccination had known risk factors including obesity, diabetes, severe lung and heart disease, immunosuppression disorders and cancer.
     
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  9. exiledgator

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    Can we take the discussions of who, how, and when somewhere else? Plenty of places or new threads to start.

    This thread is a year long update on the status of treatments, cures, and vaccines. A place we come for info not debate. Thanks.
     
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  10. philnotfil

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    Unfortunately they locked the thread where most of this belongs.
     
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  11. exiledgator

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    True, but easy enough for folks to start a new one.

    @ncargat1, @dingyibvs , @G8trGr8t, et al have been bringing great info. It'll get lost if we bring that crap here..
     
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  12. duchen

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    The discussion of whether to vaccinate kids is a reasonable subject.
     
  13. exiledgator

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    Sure, but combine that with posts on Trump appointees, military not getting vax, pot shots at the american public, etc and it a different vibe these last couple pages.

    Anyway, I'm not gonna try to be thread cop, come what may. :emoji_v:
     
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  14. duchen

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    I agree with that. The threads get politicized. Shame.
     
  15. exiledgator

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    We had ~45 pages of non toxic posting. Guess it was a good run?
     
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  16. G8trGr8t

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    Which should be in a separate thread
     
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  17. G8trGr8t

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    Guilty as charged. I erased the post on marines not getting vaccinated. My apologies
     
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  18. exiledgator

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    All good. It is TH, afterall. It's kinda weird to have a fact based thread. :D
     
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  19. duchen

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    No it shouldn’t. Because that is an open scientific question. Data assessing it belongs here without the politics.
     
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  20. ncargat1

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    I know that we have problems with Yahoo links and articles, but this is an article that everyone needs to read. Plenty quotes from national and international experts in the field: Dr. Paul Offit, Dr. Peter Hotez and Dr. Anthony Fauci among others.

    The article points out that in a study 91% of articles about vaccines are "negative" and that scary headlines about "breakthrough infections" and "vaccine evading variants" make great headlines.....but are not really bourne out by real world data as scary as media is suggesting.

    Don't worry about coronavirus variants overpowering vaccines, experts say
     
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