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Could Fabian return?

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  1. jhfxof

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    Figured this would be on here, but didnt see it.




    Peter Gammons
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    Agency for Boston’s 2d round draft choice Florida CF Jud Fabian isn’t signing. Two teams behind Boston talked $3m before draft, Sox not going to 3
     
  2. 74nole

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    For me, simply put—it’s a family decision. If anyone has had this issue to deal with involving their family member then you know.

    So many variables, so much information to sift through as they learn the stark differences between the game of baseball and the business of baseball.
     
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  3. skz868992

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    Guess we will know for sure tomorrow morning.
     
  4. GatorLurker

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    IIRC he has two years of eligibility left due to covid last year so he has lots of leverage in terms of dollars.

    But it is my understanding that Boston is a good organization to be in and maybe taking a bit less signing money now for getting lots of reps and quicker development and one less year to free agency might be the smart move if you think that you will be one of those coveted free agents down the road.

    Tough call.
     
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  5. salt72

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    I believe he is coming back. I think Hickey will sign.
     
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  6. 74nole

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    I wouldn’t argue that.
     
  7. salt72

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    Hickey signed
     
  8. shane4three

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    Tampa Bay seems better, and a quicker ticket to the majors and they have been a better organization the last few years. Great clubhouse too. Boston pays Sale 30 mill a year and he hasn’t pitched in 2 years ( close enough 1 year 11 months). The year before that he shut it down in July. Tampa’s overall organization is run better overall. The Rays are much more fun to root for too as they have the smallest payroll in baseball. I think the club has more to do with it than we think and give kids a great deal of credit. The Sox sometimes way overpay which might make kids and their agents ask will there be enough money for me. Sox in a hole with contracts like Sale’s.
    Jud has even a decent year next year and hits 25 points higher he makes himself quite a bit more money. He still has the leverage but August 15 still a ways away.
     
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  9. salt72

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    i believe the date is August 1st this year. Also if my Math is correct and all the signing bonuses have been reported correctly Boston only has 1.517,800 left to offer Jud. That is under-slot and half of what he would have gotten if Boston would not have picked him. I cant see him taking that deal.
     
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  10. gtj31

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    You can go over the signing bonus pool I believe but you have to pay a tax I think.
     
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  11. salt72

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    Teams that exceed their bonus pool face a penalty. Clubs that outspend their allotment by 0-5 percent pay a 75 percent tax on the overage. At higher thresholds, clubs lose future picks: a first-rounder and a 75 percent tax for surpassing their pool by between 5-10 percent; a first- and a second-rounder and a 100 percent tax for between 10-15 percent; and two first-rounders and a 100 percent tax for going more than 15 percent over their pool allotment.
     
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  12. Gator Mike

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    Yeah, who in their right mind would ever want to sign with... *checks notes* ...the most successful MLB franchise of the 21st century?
     
  13. stingbb

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    Don’t want to highjack the thread but the Rays payroll is actually the 26th lowest in MLB. And I’m definitely not a Red Sox fan but with the Rays currently having a whopping 13 pitchers on the IL, not sure you can be critical of any other team and injured pitchers.

    Regarding Fabian, looks like he may well be back. Knowing he had put out a pretty hefty bonus number, I would have thought a deal was in place when the Red Sox drafted the kid but obviously that was not the case.
     
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  15. shane4three

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    The Rays 13 pitchers combined salary wise don’t add up to Sale’s 30 mill. Can’t compare the Rays smart money mgmt to Boston.
     
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  16. shane4three

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    hmmm, interesting last 7 years who has the best records. Boston is 6th and the Rays are 9th. Even more interesting is that Tampa Bay has finished ahead of Boston 2 of the last 3 years.
     
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  17. shane4three

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    Little difference between 6th highest payroll and 26th. David meet Goliath. Just speaks to how much better the Rays organization and coaching staff is.

    You mention the Rays pitchers on the DL and all 13 of their Salaries added up together don’t equal Sales’s salary. Keep in mind that’s 60 million over 2 years without 1 pitch being thrown.
    Sale’s salary by itself equals over 68% of the entire Rays Team (44 million) salary.
     
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  18. GatorLurker

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    The whole business side of baseball is very complicated. Some very talented guys got stuck in the minors because there was a great player ahead of them and the team didn't want to trade him to another team because thy knew the talent and did not want to face it. If you were a great 3B coming out when Brooks Robinson or Mike Schmidt were in their prime and were drafted by the Orioles or Pirates what would you have thought? Heck, if it was me I would have played like chit and hope to get traded.

    Probably not Jud's dilemma because an outfielder has three positions available, though. Because of Jud's speed he is a natural CF, but he has a strong and accurate enough arm to be a decent RF but not his natural position. LF would be a luxury for any team with this tools.
     
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  19. Gator Mike

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    That's cute.

     
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  20. MadduxFanII

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    Fabian just posted a video saying he's coming back.
     
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