Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

And Trump has been promoting chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine and a combination of one of the two with azithromycin for at least as long. Trump has no medical credentials and it's completely fair for reporters to keep asking Dr. Fauci's for his opinion on the efficacy of the remedies as long as Trump keeps promoting those drugs. Maybe if Trump stopped using his press conferences to promote the drugs the reporters would stop asking Dr. Fauci the same question again and again.

 

Bless your heart. As @dangolegators pointed out, he said there was no evidence of p-to-p transmission outside of China at the time. What do you want him to say? That there was evidence? Would that fallacy be more "cautious"?

 

Interesting admission. Or confession, however you wish to view it.

 

Even better they didn't even say no evidence of person to person, they said outside of China. @gatorpa is making excuses for the president. Trump was making weird statements a full month of there was evidence of community transmission outside of China.

 

Agreed. Grazie mille! Ambiguous use of 'international' replaced.

 

field inspections you say...what do you do for a living

 

let the Fake News chants begin.

 

New York deaths in their early update pushed us past 10K deaths.

 

On national fatality rates, you posted:

On the next page you posted:

Is it allowed to be confused by your narrative? Asking for my dog.

 

good luck getting a straight answer.

 

My feathers aren't ruffled.... you and many here want to play technicalities and sure the WHO may not have "known about a specific case on Jan 23 outside China" of Human to Human transmission. I guess they didn't get this memo

"The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has confirmed the first case of coronavirus in the United States. After returning to Seattle, Washington, from traveling in Wuhan, China, a man in his 30s began to experience pneumonia-like symptoms, the CDC announced Tuesday.
Based on the patient's travel history and symptoms, healthcare professionals suspected this new coronavirus. A clinical specimen was collected and sent to CDC overnight, where laboratory testing yesterday confirmed the diagnosis," the CDC said in a press release "


Did they think the guy that just came back from China got it by magic? They didn't think it could spread from person to person?

That's just in the US there were dozens of cases elsewhere.
So they go from not an emergency to its a global pandemic in 7 days.... They didn't want to panic and that's fair but they knew how it spread and knew it was already out of China by Jan 23... it's pretty simple what would come next.

"Based on the patient's travel history and symptoms, healthcare professionals suspected this new coronavirus. A clinical specimen was collected and sent to CDC overnight, where laboratory testing yesterday confirmed the diagnosis," the CDC said in a press release.

The man is being treated at a hospital in Everett, outside Seattle, and is in good condition"
CDC confirms first case of coronavirus in the United States

The date of that article is Jan 21...

 

I'm just talking about Facts.
I hear all the time how the US is way down the list compared to all those countries with socialized medicine.
Take a look at how terrible their mortality rates are compared to the US.

How about addressing those seeming incongruent sets of facts?
Those facts don't support the narrative that Universal Healthcare is so great with outcomes when it comes to mortality rates for a viral illness do they?

 

Anyone still calling for 1 to 1.5 million deaths in US?

 

Don't think so. The local and national responses have lowered the estimates.

 

That isn't a fact. The US is only way down on the list if you ignore all of those countries with universal healthcare with lower rates of death (Austria, Germany, Iceland, Norway, Turkey, Canada, Greece, Israel, Finland, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, etc.). The US has the 18th highest death/population ratio in the world. Most of the countries are below the US in death rates, including most with "socialized medicine."

 

I think you're just trying to stir the pot.

Regardless, it's *your* hypothesis that the type of healthcare system drives fatality rates. You prove it. Don't ask someone else to do the work to disprove it. That's lazy and poor form.

Prove your causation proposition and be sure to include 'facts' about population health, age density, health care capacity, disparate policies with neighbors, preparation time, population density, climate, etc. I must warn you that statistics may be required when performing such an analysis.

How long will you need to get this done?

 

Sorry I haven't made one defense of Trump (if you want try say me explaining why Trump shot down the daily question about the drug cocktail (without any new info of studies) go for it.

How did the WHO think it was being spread inside China? They knew it was person to person, did they think it could only happen in China? The whole statement they made is ridiculous. Any one with any sense of the nature of world economy could have seen how easily this would get out of China and go global. That's one of job's of the WHO correct? To predict these things...

 

LMAO

Sure I'm trying to stir the pot, just like everyone who tells us how shitty the US HC system is. I certainly am no more likely to do a dissertation on the stats with Covid like you are requesting than anyone else who opines about how crappy the US HC system is.

I will say this based on the stats so far if you had COVID 19 and had to be hospitalized would you rather be here in the US of in Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium?

Just asking for my dog

 

Good lord you are still missing the point. Of course he got it from a human, which is why he got it from human to human IN CHINA. They were simply stating that they had zero info that people that had come from China had already spread it in their country of origin upon coming home. That's it. This is simple stuff. Then it started spreading inside other countries and they declared an emergency within a week. I don't give a crap about the WHO being wrong or right I just honestly do not understand where your posts are going. My apologies if I mistook you as a Trump apologist. Your statement that "since people are picking apart sentences" (paraphrasing here) I took that as a Trump defense.