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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. l_boy

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    At this point it is a judgement call. A second booster will give you an antibody boost that may last a few months but it isn’t clear if it does anything to increase long term immunity. For those that are older and immune issues it is probably worthwhile. For younger and “healthy” it may be best to wait for the fall when they may have a new and improved version.

    I planned on waiting but decided to get it before visiting my 85+ year old parents. I am encouraging my parents to get it. Not going to worry about my son at this point
     
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  2. g8trjax

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    Yeah, just messing around. Your Dr recommended against the second booster, shoulda put a smiley face in.
     
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  3. flgator2

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    COVID UPDATE: What is the truth? - PMC (nih.gov)

    The COVID-19 pandemic is one of the most manipulated infectious disease events in history, characterized by official lies in an unending stream lead by government bureaucracies, medical associations, medical boards, the media, and international agencies.[3,6,57] We have witnessed a long list of unprecedented intrusions into medical practice, including attacks on medical experts, destruction of medical careers among doctors refusing to participate in killing their patients and a massive regimentation of health care, led by non-qualified individuals with enormous wealth, power and influence.

    For the first time in American history a president, governors, mayors, hospital administrators and federal bureaucrats are determining medical treatments based not on accurate scientifically based or even experience based information, but rather to force the acceptance of special forms of care and “prevention”—including remdesivir, use of respirators and ultimately a series of essentially untested messenger RNA vaccines. For the first time in history medical treatment, protocols are not being formulated based on the experience of the physicians treating the largest number of patients successfully, but rather individuals and bureaucracies that have never treated a single patient—including Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, EcoHealth Alliance, the CDC, WHO, state public health officers and hospital administrators.[23,38]

    Dr. Peter McCullough, one of the most cited experts in his field, who has successfully treated over 2000 COVID patients by using a protocol of early treatment (which the so-called experts completely ignored), has been the victim of a particularly vicious assault by those benefiting financially from the vaccines. He has published his results in peer reviewed journals, reporting an 80% reduction in hospitalizations and a 75% reduction in deaths by using early treatment.[44] Despite this, he is under an unrelenting series of attacks by the information controllers, none of which have treated a single patient.

    We are now witnessing a growing number of excellent scientific papers, written by top experts in the field, being retracted from major medical and scientific journals weeks, months and even years after publication. A careful review indicates that in far too many instances the authors dared question accepted dogma by the controllers of scientific publications—especially concerning the safety, alternative treatments or efficacy of vaccines.[12,63] These journals rely on extensive adverting by pharmaceutical companies for their revenue. Several instances have occurred where powerful pharmaceutical companies exerted their influence on owners of these journals to remove articles that in any way question these companies’ products.[13,34,35]
     
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  4. vaxcardinal

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    so are you wanting people to read the 8 paragraphs or go to the link?
     
  5. flgator2

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    Both silly
     
  6. QGator2414

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    An antibody boost for a variant that is not in circulation. Go ahead and boost away. Maybe you will add to a potential tcell/bcell response. But who cares if your body recognizes the alpha variant? I won’t say there is not still a person out there with it. But at this point…you want an antibody response for BA2 and likely BA4 or BA5 (think they are the most recent variants of concern and subvariants of omicron).

    Amazing some of you do not see this at this point.
     
  7. duchen

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    You don’t have a clue about viruses or how vaccines work or how these vaccines work. This post demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge. What is worse, no matter how many times anyone explains to you that the vaccines recognize the protein of the virus and that the protein has not changed, just it’s shape, you still don’t get it. Or you don’t care to learn.
     
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  8. ncargat1

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    You still understand nothing and are just blabbering on and on with the same errant BS. Step out of your echo chamber for 5 minutes and go read actual science, not science fiction. HINT: keyword search "cross reactance". Or better yet, just read the links I have already posted and try to understand them.
     
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  9. QGator2414

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    I think you would be wise to step outside of your echo chamber and ask why did we develop a safe way to deliver the body the ability to recognize a particular spike protein with anti bodies. Yet we have not been able to change that spike protein to recognize the current anti bodies of the present risk variants.

    If you want a small potential tcell/bcell benefit. Go for the archaic drugs. And boost away. It is mind boggling that you and your cohorts are not figuring out that it is a complete joke they have not updated these drugs for the new spike protein.

    You tell me. The fda is not going to approve the delivery of a new spike protein with EUA after firing away at 9 months. This is a cluster…
     
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  10. l_boy

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    I wonder what it is about neurosurgeons that tend to produce right wing nut jobs (Him, Ben Carson, highly statistically significant sample size of 2)
     
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  11. QGator2414

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    LOL!

    You keep boosting with a vaccine designed for an ancestral variant of a virus.

    I will pay attention to things as they evolve and sadly have to try harder to learn what is good and bad information.

    But you keep thinking a new drug designed for the ancestral variant using a delivery mechanism you deem safe but can’t figure out how to deliver the omicron/BA2/subvariant spike protein. Pride is in your blood…:cool:o_O:eek::confused::D:devil::ninja3:
     
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  12. duchen

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    The problem with your mocking of others is that every time you explain the reasoning behind your views, you blare your ignorance like a loud radio playing bad music. And you don’t even know it.
     
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  13. QGator2414

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    I will keep waiting for you to explain why in 9 months (actually far quicker) they had a mRNA delivery for the spike protein of the alpha variant. And here we are a year and a half later still pumping that spike protein for antibodies of a variant long gone when they could be delivering the omicron/BA2/etc spike protein protection.

    You keep mocking those asking questions and boost away with an archaic drug for a disease that is not that dangerous to most.
     
  14. AzCatFan

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    Engineering a vaccine for a specific spike protein isn't easy. And to date, tests for the Omicron vaccine have not shown to be any more effective than the original vaccine. Which isn't a surprise.

    Our immune system often recognizes similar viruses, and being infected or vaccinated for one, protects for the entire family. The word vaccine comes from Vaca, or cow, because the original vaccine was a form of the cow pox that protected against smallpox. Actually, it was more likely horse pox, and the word should be equicine, but history says cow pox.

    Now, if you were around back in the day, you'd be complaining that we shouldn't inject people for an animal disease when we're trying to protect for small pox, a human disease. Just like you're complaining the COVID vaccine is for the wild type, and not Omicron. But in reality, it's results that matter.

    And every study shows the vaccine offers significant protection against serious disease, hospitalization, and death. The Brit study that studied the entire county, hundreds of thousands of cases, showed the vaccine gave people 70% more protection from hospitalization, all ages. This corresponds with the state of WA data that shows a minimum of 3X protection from hospitalization for those fully vaccinated.

    Plenty of other studies, state, and country data all show the same thing. Data you conveniently ignore and casually dismiss, because you simply disagree with their findings. Yet, you have yet to produce a single study that refutes the vaccine significantly reduces a person's chance of ending up in the hospital or the morgue.
     
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  15. QGator2414

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    The study club just provided an article written off of a small group of animals and none peer reviewed. Maybe these drugs just are not as good as advertised. Maybe big pharma just does not want to cut into profits by making the change. Maybe they see that these drugs are part of the reason we have omicron and are concerned with how different omicron is from alpha. There are many possibilities.

    The good news is the new variants are not that dangerous to most. But for those that want a drug…one would think an omicron spike protein would be far superior to the one that is nothing close to the omicron spike protein. You are a good follower my friend. Boost! :D:devil::ninja3:
     
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  16. duchen

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    The vaccine trains the immune system to recognize the protein. The protein is the same even if the spike changes. That is why the studies show that the vaxxed are less likely to be infected or suffer severe illness than the unvaxxed. All of them. The variant escapes immunity to a greater degree than the prior variants, but in those who are infected, they recover quicker and get less sick. And the Canadian study shows that the spread to the vaxxed is largely from the unvaxxed. We have not reached vaccination levels because of the self righteous and self serving jerks or the ignorant who just refuse to get vaccinated. Hence the spread. Because the unvaxxed our out there. Oh, and “not dangerous to most.” There are a million known dead. Not to mention the many more who survived hospitalization with consequences. Or the long COVID. 3 out of 4 people who died were over 65– which means 250,000 under 65. With mitigation and later treatments and prophylactics. So carry on with your falsehoods about the vaccines and virus. Nobody is going to convince you. Not the studies. Not the links. Not the explanations anyone provides. Just that is anyone reads your repetitive falsehoods, they should know you are feeding them garbage. The nice thing about freedom to speak is that we can all out propaganda and bull.
     
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  17. QGator2414

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    Yes. The propaganda is strong. It has people taking drugs for a disease that is not that dangerous to them and does not stop them from getting it.
     
  18. AzCatFan

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    Here are more study results regarding the Omicron vaccine trials. All show no improvement on protection from the virus. Considering it takes time for approval, and then weeks to change the formula for manufacturing, there's no reason to switch to the Omicron vaccine. The original works just fine, especially at protecting against hospitalization and death.

    Still waiting on a link from you that shows otherwise.
     
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  19. QGator2414

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    Not an good sign for these new drugs if the spike protein for omicron shows no improvement. It would not surprise me at all if that were the case considering how poorly they are currently working.
     
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  20. AzCatFan

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    And how do you define current vaccines working poorly. If it's just stopping infection, then I guess you can make that claim. But against hospitalizations and death, the current vaccines perform very well. Here's another study, from Sweden, showing 80% improvement from severe outcomes from Omicron for those with three doses of the current mRNA vaccines. This is all ages, and all health ranges, looking at over 1.3 million people, and tens of thousands of Omicron cases.

    Still waiting on your proof that the current vaccines are doing poorly at stopping hospitalizations and deaths. Otherwise, maybe you should reconsider your position on how poorly the current vaccines are working? Because if the current vaccine significantly lowers everyone's odds of getting a severe case of COVID by 4X or more, that's quite a positive effect.
     
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