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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. BigCypressGator1981

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    Thank god those people have you to bitch and moan on a college sports message board on their behalf!
     
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  2. Tjgators

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    I don't recommend getting health information from Fauci. I get most of you here might catch fire from reading the Blaze. The data is not from the Blaze. I too get how our older folks are excited to get the 4th shot and will spin the science to comfort themselves. Most of the world is done with the masks and the boosters. Many libs are coming out aggressively pissed at the disinformation from Fauci & CDC. More and more studies are coming out that the vax is not only destroying immune systems but it is becoming more virulent.

    For you that can't read the article because you might combust upon opening the link :

    While the vaccines clearly provided some degree of protection for some people for several months against severe illness (while possibly causing even more spread), the Scottish data paints a concerning picture of the long-term consequences of the mass vaccination. People like Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche have been warning that if you mass-vaccinate with a leaky, narrow-spectrum (only recognizes spike protein) vaccine in middle of a raging pandemic, the virus would get more virulent over time.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    Okay LOL!
     
  4. duchen

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    You must have missed the post from the poster who quoted the actual study and showed what garbage that the conclusions raised in Blaze was wrong.

    The doctor is also wrong about how the vaccine works.
     
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  5. duchen

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    Here is the post you ignored. What the Blaze says about the study doesn't matter where contrary to what the study and authors say.

     
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  6. Tjgators

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    Coming from the guy who didn't read the article.
     
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  7. l_boy

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    The Blaze...isn't that where double covid Glenn Beck works?

    These variants all came from places that where few are vaccinated so that theory is a fail.
     
  8. pkaib01

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    I got the health information from the Scottish reports linked in the article YOU shared. So that's a weak distraction attempt by you. Also, more toxic masculinity displays about far right media sources? What a weird fetish.

    I just tried, without malice, to point out that you shared something that doesn't hold water.

    Let me try to illustrate the logical fallacy in The Blaze's positioning since I obviously wasn't clear before.

    1. Some doctors are concerned about the use of narrow vaccines. That they are concerned is not at dispute here.

    2. The Blaze references Public Health Scotland's winter report on case rates by vaccination status and concludes it is support for the leaky vaccine theory. They do this despite the report warning that conclusions should not be made based on case rates (see below) and reasons why. The report also has hospitalization data (Table 15) that shows a 3x increased risk for the unvaxed. This directly contradicts the Blaze's assertion that the report "... further shows this trend of negative efficacy for the double-vaccinated persisting for hospitalizations and deaths".

    BTW... efficacy is clinical trial term. The term the savants at the Blaze meant to say was "effectiveness". And speaking of effectiveness, the PHS winter report stated Moderna and Pfizer has a 70 to 75% effectiveness.

    Again, The Blaze's conclusions are not supported by the very article they reference.

    The warning:

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  9. l_boy

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    What is interesting and discouraging on the face of it is the the hospitalization rate is statistically similar of the double vaccinated vs unvaccinated. I am going to guess that means the the unvaccinated may have higher natural immunity rates and the double vaccinated may have been vaxed a while ago. Nonetheless I still would have expected better results than that.

    There could be some small precision variance in the age adjusting process.

    What is notable though, and kind of ironic, is it seems like the overall level of hospitalization in Scotland is far less than US. I came up with about a gross number of 15 per hundred thousand per week. The NYT is showing the US rate of hospitalization moving average at 48 per 100,000 PER DAY! I don't know if that is a true apples to apples comparison but that is quite a difference.

    The irony is the unvaccinated rates are so low in Scotland because most everyone is vaccinated and that protects the vaccinated. That's how vaccines are supposed to work.


    Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count


    Looking at death in Scotland, which lags a couple of weeks and still may be significantly affected by Delta, Scotland shows an unadjusted weekly death rate of 1.1 per 100,000. The US weekly death rate is 0.65*7=4.6 per 100,000, more than 4 times as high.
     
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    UK's Office of National Statistics also issues a warning of sorts:

    It is true that simply looking at age-adjusted rates isn't equivalent to vaccine effectiveness. This is because the numbers don't account for other covariates like differences in health of individuals in the different population. Yet, it's highly doubtful we'd be seeing such decreases in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths for vaccinated if vaccines weren't effective. After all, it's not as if the numbers are random.
     
  11. ncargat1

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    Yet more data confirming the SARS-CoV-2 variants, whether or not they evade neutralizing anti-bodies, do not evade human T-cell responses. Alessandro Setti, whose lab this work was completed in, is a professor at the Lo Jolla Institute at UC San Diego. His lab has spent 35 years studying the specific structures (epitopes) that the human immune system recognizes and responds to.

    Impact of SARS-CoV-2 variants on the total CD4 + and CD8 + T cell reactivity in infected or vaccinated individuals - PubMed
     
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  12. mutz87

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    The similarities in Scotland are almost certain to be due to the extremely small size of the unvaxxed group. If 100% vaccination rate is reached, all hospitalizations and deaths will be of vaccinated, which of course wouldn't then be evidence of vaccine failure per se.
     
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  13. l_boy

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    Plus as more and more eventually build natural immunity the comparisons to the unvaccinated will become less dramatic.
     
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  14. QGator2414

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    Multiply the Scotland obesity rate by 1.5 and you will get the US obesity rate…:cool:o_O:confused:
     
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    This completely flies in the face of those making the assertion that the vaccine only works for original covid.

    The total reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 variants is similar in terms of magnitude and frequency of response, with decreases in the 10%-22% range observed in some assay/VOC combinations. A total of 7% and 3% of previously identified CD4+ and CD8+ T cell epitopes, respectively, are affected by mutations in the various VOCs. Thus, the SARS-CoV-2 variants analyzed here do not significantly disrupt the total SARS-CoV-2 T cell reactivity;
     
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  16. l_boy

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    As I posted elsewhere while obsesity is a factor it isn't nearly as big as you think. In most cases it increase your risk 10% to 30%.
     
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  17. QGator2414

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    Eat and Booster up my friend…o_O:confused::cool::):D:devil::ninja3:
     
  18. ncargat1

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    The concern was valid at first, by creating a vaccine based solely on the spike protein, would the immune system even generate a T-cell response at all? Later, with the amino acid changes along the Spike with each variant, would the body continue to recognize it? Listening to Professor Sette discuss the results today, it seems that if anything, not only is the virus not altering itself in a manor that it can drift away from T-cell responses, it seems that the body/T-cell responses are becoming stronger against each variant.

    What I do not understand is why people, despite paper after paper, study after study are all showing the same conclusions, will continue to spew the same non-sense.
     
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  19. slightlyskeptic

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    Of dying? No. Your chances of dying are twice as high if overweight and 1.5 times if you're morbidly obese.

    Of getting Covid? Maybe, but it sure doesn't seem that way at all to me. Specially in the under 65 crowd.
     
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  20. ValdostaGatorFan

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    I had covid last week. I'm amazed it took that long to catch it, assuming I've never had an asymptomatic case before.

    On Tuesday I was on my computer and was feeling.. different. Went and sat in the recliner around 7pm with my eyes closed. That's when I could tell that feeling "different" had morphed into feeling like something was wrong.

    Went and laid down, and that's when the body aches ramped up. My lower back hurt so bad. The pain made it down to my ankles, but my lower back was definitely the worst. I tried to sleep it off, but no dice. I'd sleep for 10 minutes, wake up in pain for about 5 minutes, then to back to sleep for 10 minutes. I did that from about 7:30pm to 7am, tossi g and turning the whole time. My body felt like it had been hit by a truck. It was so bad. All in all, I think I maybe got 2 hours of sleep all night. Mild headache, mix of chills and hot flashes, and severe body pains.

    Got tested for the flu and covid the next morning (Wednesday) around 8:30am. Negative for both. Quarantined out of caution. Body aches subsided by about 75%, same with the headache. No more chills/hot flashes.

    Thursday I felt mostly back to normal with just a hint of not feeling 100%. Friday I was back to normal. I needed peace of mind so I went and got retested and this one came back as positive.

    I still feel fine. Since then, I've heard that you can test "too early," and I'm wondering if my first negative test was due to this. I also never lost taste or smell.

    I will be getting vaccinated as soon as I'm eligible. I'm going to turn my whole body into one giant covid antibody.
     
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