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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. l_boy

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    Then why are you always posting about the unknown dangers of the vaccine and contorting statistics to assert the vaccine isn't working? If your opinion is freedom of choice that stance should stand on its own regardless of vaccine effectiveness.
     
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  2. gatorpa

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    Perhaps to combat the almost militant attitude that if don't get vaccinated you are stupid and all must be vaccinated.
    Some here have a palpable disdain for anyone who may have a different view point than theirs on vaccines..
     
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  3. g8trjax

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    Yeah, not only with vaccines...
     
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  4. QGator2414

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    The data speaks. We know reinfections are extremely rare. We know breakthroughs are expected. We are seeing some of the highest 7 day averages in some of the most vaccinated communities and among just communities with a lot of vaccinations as all communities are still getting vaccinated. Some have not seen a spike and hopefully they never do. Vaccinated/Unvaccinated the virus is going to virus. If you are older or unhealthy you are high risk (vaccinated or unvaccinated) and low risk the healthier and younger you are (vaccinated or unvaccinated).
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    I have always supported people getting the vaccine if they want to get it.

    But when we are destroying people’s livelihood because they do not make the decision someone else expects them to make…I am going to stand strong for the position of freedom. Especially for a drug that the data shows is not slowing the spread and we do not have long term data for it. And for a disease that is not that dangerous to most.

    For those that want protection via the vaccine…I am all for them. Just don’t force someone to take what you may want.
     
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  6. RIP

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    I know I will. I'm not on the side of "Ivermectin is completely useless" but I also don't believe it is some magical pill as Rick claims. If it proves to be highly effective I will happily eat crow.
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    What are the definitions of rare and expected. Something can be rare and also expected. Halley's Comet only comes once every 75 years. A very rare event. But also something expected and predictable.

    The mRNA vaccines have shown to be about 90% effective over six months. Breakthrough cases are expected, but they have also been rare. And when breakthroughs do happen, the severity of of the infection is significantly lower. Deaths rates from vaccinated breakthrough cases are lower in every age group.

    The other truth? The vaccinated are about ten times more likely to catch COVID, and twenty times more likely to spread it! While viral loads at the height of the infection are the same among vaccinated and unvaxxed, the vaccinated get better days quicker than the unvaxxed. This makes the vaccinated significantly less contagious than the unvaxxed.

    The vaccine works to first prevent getting COVID, then from spreading COVID, and last, greatly increases the chances of the infected person will recover. From PA, 94% of COVID cases are from the unvaxxed, as are 95% of hospitalizations, and 97% of deaths. The monoclonal antibodies work well, but only if a person gets COVID, and catches it early. We've been told our entire lives that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, and the vaccine is cheaper per dose, effective, and safe.

    We also know immunity wanes. Including natural immunity. Which is why we are seeing a rise in reinfection rates. And it seems that a second COVID infection has a greater ability to be severe than a breakthrough case.

    The vaccine is currently, by far, our best weapon against COVID. Everyone eligible should be getting jabbed. Those saying otherwise are only prolonging the pandemic.
     
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  8. Swamplizard

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    8 Dead, Dozens Infected With COVID-19 Due to Nursing Home Outbreak – NBC Connecticut
    Eight people are dead and just shy of 100 more have become infected with COVID-19 after an outbreak at a Connecticut nursing home.

    The outbreak at the Geer Village Senior Community, a nursing home and rehabilitation center in Canaan, started around the beginning of October when the nursing home was reporting three positive COVID-19 cases.

    Now, eight residents have died, and 67 residents and 22 staff members caught COVID-19 sometime in the past month and a half. Nursing home officials said 48 residents and 21 staff members have recovered from the virus.

    The nursing and rehab center houses only 70 residents and all eight people who died has serious underlying health issues.

    Of the 89 total infections, 87 people were fully vaccinated, the nursing home said.

    "While we must continue with Covid-19 prevention protocols, we want to assure everyone we are doing our best to keep residents and staff safe," officials said.
     
  10. AzCatFan

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    It would be interesting to see just how many of the staff were vaccinated. I bet it's a lower percentage than the residents. And I'd also bet patient 0 for the staff/residents was unvaxxed.
     
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  11. QGator2414

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    From one of your links...

    COVID-19 reinfection tracker - BNO News

    464 confirmed reinfections. Using just the United States/England/Brazil as I noticed those three countries in case counts...that is 0.0006% of the cases are a reinfection. Sure there are likely more. But that is extremely rare.
     
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    Of the 89 total infections, 87 people were fully vaccinated, the nursing home said. < those numbers include staff still doesn't state if the other 2 weren't vaccinated
     
  13. QGator2414

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    Come on fl...this does not fit the narrative. It will be interesting if Roethlisberger does not play this weekend...Mike Tomlin -- Pittsburgh Steelers to build game plan for QB Mason Rudolph, will leave 'light on' for Ben Roethlisberger (espn.com).

    On Tuesday of last week Rodgers said it was only a small chance he did not play. "GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Aaron Rodgers said there's only a "small possibility" he won't play in the Green Bay Packers' next game,"

    Green Bay Packers' Aaron

    Maybe the unvaccinated recover quicker. Or it could be that this virus attacks everyone differently. We have to stop with the picking sides. And we have to stop threatening peoples livelihood. It is evil.
     
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  14. QGator2414

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    You think the odds are in your favor that patient 0 was one of 2 out of 89?

    Okay...
     
  15. AzCatFan

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    Yes. The unvaccinated are 20X more likely to spread COVID than the vaccinated. If patient zero was an employee and not a resident, then odds are likely that person was unvaccinated. If the virus was brought in by a guest, and patient zero is a vaccinated resident, then odds are the guest, or patient -1 is unvaccinated.

    There was a Brit study that showed a vaccinated 80 year old is as likely to catch and have similar symptoms as an unvaxxed 50-year old. This is with only 2 shots, and no boosters. That's why the virus spread around the home like it did. Be interesting to note the ages of the two that are unvaccinated, and if it could be determined if they were patient zero.
     
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  16. buckeyegator

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    transfered from new york? sorry, way to easy.
     
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    On average I don't think this is correct. Unvaxxed are 6 times more likely to get infected. In terms of the comparative rate of spread once infected that isn't clear. There is probably an advantage but it isn't overwhelming.
     
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    This is unfortunate but not shocking. The vaccine helps but isn't perfect. Breakthrough infections are fairly common after 6 months, and the efficacy is positive but overall less for 80+. The ones that died were severely sick already and without vaccines the number dead would probably much greater, which was typical in initial nursing homes prior to vaccine.
     
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  19. l_boy

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    This is just non sensical conjecture.
     
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  20. AzCatFan

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    It's hard to say. I linked a New Zealand study that showed a 20X difference. A big part of the reason is recovery time. Vaccinated people rid the virus several days faster than the unvaccinated. This means, a vaccinated person is contagious for a significantly less time than an unvaxxed case.