Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    9,072
    549
    798
    Apr 26, 2007
    No, you were wrong. I did go back and find your link. The study was for adolescents only, ages 12-17. What a joke. Pathetic.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    4,306
    617
    1,938
    Apr 3, 2007

    LOL. That's about as useful as posting something saying Trump won the election from a far right wing website. Anyone quoting that "study" should rightfully be goofed on non stop. Glad you admit the CDC screwed up royally and most likely fudged numbers on children covid estimates. I knew you'd come around.
     
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
  3. jeffbrig

    jeffbrig GC Hall of Fame

    1,102
    342
    1,928
    Aug 7, 2007
    Could be related to the fact that delta already burned through the FL population. Hint: covid comes in waves - peaks and troughs.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  4. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    4,306
    617
    1,938
    Apr 3, 2007

    Good try. I get it. You were wrong and took it out on me. Happened with lockdowns and school closures and now this. You will be right one of these days, I have a feeling!
     
  5. buckeyegator

    buckeyegator Premium Member

    5,250
    803
    2,033
    Oct 29, 2007
    gainesville, florida
    so if the delta varient has come through does that mean florida has reached herd immunity, everyone had it, few left to get it, numbers sink like a rock.
     
  6. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    4,306
    617
    1,938
    Apr 3, 2007
    More data showing Natural immunity is superior to vaccines. Of course some will scoff and say they aren't using the Pfizer vaccine. Well, we know natural immunity lasts significantly longer than any vaccine. Just more proof Natural immunity is better than vaccination. But hey, vax your kids anyway! Even if they've had covid already. Who cares? Let's do what's best for the greater good, right?

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.08.21266055v1.full.pdf

    India: “overall immune response resulting from natural infection in and around Kolkata is better than that generated by vaccination, especially in the case of the Delta variant"

    And natural infection is also, " a better driver of virus specific cell mediated immune response than both (adenovirus & inactivated virus) vaccines”,
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    9,062
    678
    458
    Apr 9, 2007
    This is natural immunity versus the Covaxin vaccine in India. Let's add the study to the data already collected so we can figure out exactly what is happening. Is the Covaxin vaccine not as effective as others, for example? Especially against Delta? Is there a correlation between other SARS viruses prevalent in India that is giving those who survive COVID a boost to their immune system? Is it something else? A combination of things?

    There isn't one definitive answer. Too many competing results and studies. Anyone who tells you otherwise either has an agenda, or doesn't understand how science works.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  8. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    10,623
    1,191
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    So today is a day in which peer review doesn't matter?

    BTW, it didn't look at any US authorized vaccines, not just failing to look at Pfizer.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  9. Swamplizard

    Swamplizard VIP Member

    3,433
    519
    1,753
    Apr 3, 2007
    Florida
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  10. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    4,306
    617
    1,938
    Apr 3, 2007

    Thanks captain obvious. I stated where and what was studied. Thanks for pointing that out…
     
  11. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    4,306
    617
    1,938
    Apr 3, 2007
    I stated that. Try reading what I posted. Thanks for doing what I said would happen.
     
  12. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    10,623
    1,191
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    No, you stated that they didn't look at Pfizer. They also didn't look at Moderna or Johnson & Johnson and only looked at vaccines that haven't been approved in the US.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  13. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    9,072
    549
    798
    Apr 26, 2007
    Coming from the guy who thinks vaccine efficacy declines to 50% at 6 weeks and can't present any evidence to back it up? If anyone wants to be right, all they have to do is disagree with you.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
  14. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    4,306
    617
    1,938
    Apr 3, 2007
    I produced the evidence now you don’t like it. Keep it up! Just like lockdowns, school closures and masks. You are on a real hot streak buddy. On fire!
     
  15. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    8,030
    881
    2,018
    Jan 6, 2009
    As you indicated they didn't look at the US vaccines. Of the two in India, the better one was Astra Zeneca . It is well known that Pfizer is better than Astra Seneca and Moderna is better than Pfizer. Now it wouldn't shock me that natural immunity exceeded those also longer term, to the extent natural immunity activates, which roughly 1/3 of the time it doesn't seem to. In this study they said the Astra zeneca lead to 90% seropositity but natural immunity lead to only 82-86% seropositity. Pfizer and Moderna are certainly higher than 90% because their success against initial infection was in the 90's.

    So once again we are left with vaccines have a greater chance of seropositity reaction, but natural immunity seems to lead to longer term protection.
     
  16. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 Premium Member

    2,015
    475
    2,153
    Oct 11, 2011
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  17. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    8,030
    881
    2,018
    Jan 6, 2009
    Those were some astoundingly good numbers. Some of the best I've seen favoring vaccination. I went through the attachment and I didn't see any glaringly obvious problems with the presentation.

    It could be that overall the vaccinated are more cautious in terms of masking, social distancing, etc.
     
  18. g8trjax

    g8trjax GC Hall of Fame

    3,679
    261
    243
    Jun 1, 2007
    There's at least one prominent vaxxer who agrees with you...
     
  19. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    9,072
    549
    798
    Apr 26, 2007
    In the Texas study posted above, vaccinated people are 13 times less likely to get covid than unvaccinated and 20 times less likely to die of covid than unvaccinated. I'd say the vaccines are working pretty well.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  20. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    9,072
    549
    798
    Apr 26, 2007
    Yeah, you found a study of kids that shows vaccines are 100% effective in the per protocol group. That's not helping your bogus claim.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1