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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. Swamplizard

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  2. l_boy

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    Here is the difference.

    Chickenpox for HCPs

    The average incubation period for varicella is 14 to 16 days after exposure to a varicella or a herpes zoster rash, with a range of 10 to 21 days.


    Now Covid:

    Coronavirus Incubation Period

    Research also shows that the Delta variant spreads faster and has a shorter incubation period than previous SARS-CoV-2 variants. Delta’s incubation is around 4 days, compared to the 5.6 days in other strains.



    Another population of immune cells, memory B cells, meanders around the body like sleeper agents, ready to resume making its antibodies whenever necessary.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/waning-immunity-not-crisis-right-now/619965/

    Memory responses take a few days to get going. That’s far faster than the response to a first inoculation, when B and T cells are naive to the threat. But if antibodies aren’t already lurking in and around the airway, the virus might get a chance to invade a few cells, maybe even cause some symptoms, before sufficient reinforcements arrive.


    So with Chicken pox, it doesn't incubate until past 10 days which is plenty of time for long term memory cells to activate defenses. However for covid Delta, incubation averages 4 days, and memory cells take 3-5 days, so significant levels of infection get through but are typically beaten back quickly.

    That's the difference. That's the supposed "leaky". That has nothing to do with the vaccine. It's the nature of the virus.
     
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  3. citygator

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    We are gonna run out of conservatives. Interesting story from the commies at The Economist.

    After excluding deaths from COVID, researchers compared death rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Excluding COVID, the unvaccinated are still dying at a rate three times higher than the unvaccinated.

    The researchers don't really know why. A small part of it is that people with bad health problems might skip vaccination, and such people are more likely to die, but that's not nearly enough people to explain the difference.

    Other guesses?

    Maybe COVID deaths are being greatly undercounted.

    Maybe vaccinated people take better care of themselves in general.

    Maybe the unvaccinated engage in more self-destructive behavior.

    Maybe Bill Gates is sending out covert assassination squads.

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    People with covid jabs have been less likely to die of other causes
     
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  4. mdgator05

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    Suggests one of two things, the unhealthy are less likely to get vaccinated or we are underreporting the number of Covid deaths systematically.
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    What is a lie in what I said?

    Are you suggesting these vaccines are working like those drugs that do work in an almost perfect fashion?

    A lie is insinuating I said that the spread rate is the same for a particular group.

    We need to move onto the next generation of drugs. Until then…booster up.
     
  6. BLING

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    I wouldn’t think we would be substantially undercounting. Other than the very beginning the U.S. data has been pretty good. With only a “slight” undercount vs. excess deaths of maybe 10% or 20% (that is slight compared to the magnitude multiples times more death error I’ve seen suspected in certain 3rd world countries).

    But with red states going hyper political, you can’t discount the possibility they are now trying to fudge the numbers to undercount. It will be interesting what the “excess deaths” show. One would expect deaths pulled forward into 2020, then somewhat reverse in 2021. Though people delaying medical care might offset that for a little while. But if there is a divergence it could indicate something fishy going on.
     
  7. coleg

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    You used chicken virus data to make a point about leaky vaccine for covid virus. This was pointed out in post #29838. Your definition of leaky with covid vaccine is refuted in post # 29842. Your statement that the covid vaccine does not slow the spread is intellectually dishonest without your silly modifier. Just stop. Refer to post @29872 so you won't continue to embarrass yourself with the "perfect fashion" strawman. Just stop.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    The lie you keep spreading is the COVID vaccine is "leaky." It's no more leaky than the polio vaccine, or the chickenpox vaccine after 24 months. The other lie you keep spreading is the vaccinated spread COVID at an equal rate as the unvaccinated. That's simply not true. Unvaccinated people are more than 6X more likely to get the virus, meaning they are 6X more likely to spread it, at minimum. Vaccinated people also beat the virus at a much quicker rate, meaning the vaccinated with breakthrough cases are contagious for a shorter period of time versus the unvaccinated who get the virus. Please explain how 1/6 the number of people who are vaccinated and contagious for a shorter period of time can spread a virus at an equal rate as the unvaccinated. Or, admit that you are wrong.
     
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  9. l_boy

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  10. l_boy

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    Winner.
     
  11. dangolegators

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    No, you didn't post anything that shows vaccine efficacy declines to 50% by 6 weeks. I guess you follow the Trump school of lying -- just keep telling the lie no matter how obvious it is that it's a lie.
     
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  12. gatordavisl

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    Good call!


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    Brilliant!

    That's just a smattering of the covid hot takes. I stopped archiving around that time.
     
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  13. gatordavisl

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  14. BigCypressGator1981

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    So consistently selfish. Absolutely not willing to lift a finger for the greater good if it inconveniences him in any way shape or form. And then this pathological need to come on here and try to justify it to himself. Pathetic.
     
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  15. gatordavisl

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    Booster up!
     
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  16. Tjgators

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    I am confident we are not under reporting Covid deaths when we know it has been financially beneficial for hospitals to do so. I would think the unhealthy are vaccinated at a high rate but maybe some of them are scared by the VAERS injury & death numbers. VAERS is a website run by the CDC. Maybe they have seen the studies out of Israel and Sweden that the vaccinated filling up the hospitals at a 75% plus rate. Definitely does not suggest one of two things.
     
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  17. mdgator05

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    Yeah, actually it does. Technically, there are three, but I doubt the Covid vaccines are diminishing deaths for other illnesses. But a difference that stark suggests that there are Covid deaths that aren't being reported as Covid or that the unhealthy are systematically not being vaccinated. You were unable to provide another explanation because those are the two explanations that fit that data.
     
  18. jeffbrig

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    Interestingly, polling shows a strong correlation between your choice of news source and whether or not you believe covid misinformation.... those leaning to right-wing/conservative sources appear to be particularly susceptible...

    https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...-19-vaccine-monitor-media-and-misinformation/

     
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  19. AndyGator

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    The same sources that have vaccine mandates for their employees, no less.
     
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  20. gator95

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    Sure. I guess this means nothing...

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