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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. co_gator89

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    Yeah it turns out he's a "did my own research" type. Someone needs to tell these people that scrolling through Facebook in between wipes of your ass isn't research.
     
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  2. l_boy

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    Why is it that you regard a small number of children covid deaths as immaterial, but think a small number of vaccine myocartis cases, in which no kids have died, is a big deal and something to be feared?
     
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  3. gator95

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    Because we don’t know if it’s a small number of kids. You can’t figure that out from a 4,000 person trial. So, I’ll ask again because no one answered before, how much better did the vaccine do than the placebo in the trial? How many kids in the placebo arm had to be hospitalized or died compared to the kids with the vaccine? Let me know what you found out.
     
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  4. duchen

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    He admitted that he was not allergic to J&J. His story is that when he was asked if he was vaccinated, he didn’t lie because he has had all sorts of other vaccines; so he truthfully answered that he was immunized. He claimed the questioners never mentioned COVID. There have been interesting articles out these over the years about his family issues. Now, we can all see that he is just a jerk.
     
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  5. gator95

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    That's because you didn't look very hard. You'd think that since you are running out to get your child vaxxed you'd at least read the report. Guess some people just believe everything that people tell them. I hope your child doesn't have any adverse reaction to the vaccine. This is why people are uninformed. This data should be plastered in every newspaper so the public can be informed. Instead we get our CDC director lying to the public time and time again. Phase 3 trials are usually small, except that's after YEARS of research and huge phase 1 and 2 participants. I do like the "maybe my math was off a little" bit. Almost a "my bad" but not quite.

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  6. philnotfil

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    Kind of like how some people like to say they aren't anti-vaxxers, just anti the only one that matters right now.
     
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  7. littlebluelw

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    Can you explain what this chart shows?
     
  8. philnotfil

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    It shows that AzCatFan was correct.
     
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  9. gatorchamps960608

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    He sounded so dumb I could have sworn he was from Marion County.

    But then I found out his Dad was a chiropractor and then him being a quack science promulgator made perfect sense.
     
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  10. gator95

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    Nope. It's like people just want to believe that there aren't any adverse affects from the vaccine. It's quite amazing people will just stick something in their child that they have no idea if it causes long term harm. It's not like covid is deadly to healthy kids. That's what is amazing. Sheep gonna be sheep i guess.
     
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  11. BigCypressGator1981

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    cool story, bro.
     
  12. gator95

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    They grey shaded area is for severe systemic events. That includes fevers up to 104. Why the hell would anyone do that to a perfectly healthy child? Please use common sense people. Once the CDC went political they lost all credibility accept to lemmings who think they would never lie to them. Go see what our esteemed CDC director said yesterday. Complete lie.


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  13. littlebluelw

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    Thanks. I couldn’t see those grey areas through all the blues and greens.
     
  14. AzCatFan

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    All fevers in the vaccinated kids broke within days. Not one has suffered any long term effect. And does anyone know what getting COVID will do to year 2 years after infection? 5 years? 20 years? I find it funny that people are more worried about long term effects of a vaccine containing one strand of mRNA versus getting sick from a virus containing the exact same mRNA strand, plus a lot more genetic material.
     
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  15. gator95

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    Yeah, no big whoop. I love voluntarily giving my kids a fever. Sounds fun! I do like how last year you were on the “myocarditis is too dangerous to play sports” and now a 104 fever and better odds at myocarditis is no big deal. And you wonder why people call you out for the crap you spew. You are a fear monger and it’s quite funny to watch.
     
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  16. gatorempire

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    I don't love giving my kids pain, either. My son screamed like mad when he got his age 4 vaccines. I had to carry him around all day. He got a mild fever then, as well. I figured it was better than contracting measles, tetanus or polio. Your mileage may vary.
     
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  17. gator95

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    Those are all fda approved vaccines. These aren’t. Those things also affect kids. Covid luckily doesn’t. Only kids with underlying conditions should be getting the vaccine.
     
  18. AzCatFan

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    Myocarditis is usually minor. Usually goes away on its own in weeks, if not days. If a kid does have it, best to let them rest it out.

    And if you're worried about myocarditis, the risk from getting the virus is more than double that when getting the vaccine. Even if the vaccine is only 70% effective, and there's a 30% breakthrough rate. Which for Pfizer, in no study has breakthrough rates been this high.

    Even if the vaccine only offers a small amount of benefit to the kid, vaccines are also about community benefit. If my kids are vaccinated, the chances of them getting the virus and transmitting it to another, like their grandparents, is greatly diminished. Vaccinate enough people, and we will get closer to herd immunity.

    But continue to think a vaccine containing one mRNA strand is more dangerous than a complete virus with the exact strand of mRNA, plus a full virus genome.
     
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  19. gatorempire

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    It was approved by the FDA in August for 16 and older. You're splitting hairs.
     
  20. gator95

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    We aren’t talking about adults. We are talking about kids. I’ve said repeatedly that anyone over 18 should get the vaccine. Kids don’t need the vaccine(unless they have underlying conditions). Not complicated at all. Anyone listening to the cdc at this point after all the lying they’ve done is on them.
     
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