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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. AndyGator

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    Since my wife and I took the J&J vaccine in March, we are now eligible to get a booster shot :). We plan do it this Saturday.
     
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  2. g8trjax

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    The only real covid immunity being conferred here is to the drug companies.
     
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  3. l_boy

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    Shouldn't it be both? The point of vaccines is not just individual immunity but community herd immunity, which benefits both the community and individual. To the extent free loaders exists herd immunity is more difficult to attain.
     
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  4. ncargat1

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    That is probably true since "immunity" was never an end-point goal for any of the trials, nor the goal of the vaccines in general (that does not mean that is not how they were touted by some, including the president, etc....but if you read through the trial data, you will see that was never the goal). It was a happy accident that for a short time that they did confer immunity, just like infection does in the 65% of the people who form antibodies as a result of infection.

    However, keeping me out of the hospital and getting severely ill, is still success in my book.
     
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  5. l_boy

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    Depends on how you define immunity. Herd immunity is a goal, even though that could still mean some people will get infected. Plus the vaccine can provide a bridge to herd immunity, by decreasing the number of severe outcomes as the diseases still spreads.
     
  6. WESGATORS

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    Yes, it should be both. It should be voluntary, and it should take into account folks who have already had it.

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
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  7. BLING

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    Previous infection is not “lifetime immunity”, so I don’t really see how that is workable given that infection dates are all over the place (or even unknowable).

    Granted, not all vaccines are precisely knowable either (different people react differently and there are multiple different vaccines). But with a vaccination record at least you have your date and type on there. With natural immunity you have basically unlimited variables.

    If a person shows they have antibodies from prior infection that is probably good at that point in time, but how long is that good for? Were they infected 2 months prior? Or 12 months prior? What is the count of the antibodies present? What is the cutoff to be considered immunized?
     
  8. WESGATORS

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    Just my opinion, but I believe the burden of proof should be on those imposing the restriction. Is there any reason to believe that the non-vaccinated reinfection rate is significantly higher than the rate of infection of those who have not previously had COVID but are vaccinated?

    Go GATORS!
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  9. gator95

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    You don't know one way or the other on "lifetime immunity". Saying it's "not" is just as bad as saying it is.
     
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  10. dangolegators

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    Too funny coming from you. You don't know one way or the other about lots of things. Doesn't stop you from making absolute claims about them.
     
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  11. l_boy

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    Just found out daughter has covid. She was feeling bad and went to doctor. She is fully vaxxed but it has been 7-8 months. They actually have her set up for antibody treatment tomorrow morning.

    Now she is freaked out because she has a disabled boyfriend /roommate who isn't vaccinated because his dad is anti vax.
     
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  12. BLING

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    Proof of what though?

    Certain entities are asking for proof of vaccination. Not a perfect system by any means since breakthrough infection is still possible, I think an antibody test is good in the short term. But how long should it be good for if you don’t know exactly when you were infected? It’s ultimately not even clear how long vaccination should be good for. 1 year, 2 years. Looks clear it’s far from permanent, but it really depends on the disease itself whether it has to be an annual consideration.
     
  13. duchen

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    Sorry to hear it. The antibody treatment works very well. I know many who have had it; makes one really tired. But, the earlier the better. Her antibodies will be through the roof. Maybe her boyfriend should be checked immediately and, if negative, vaccinated asap? Of positive, antibody treatment?
     
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  14. ncargat1

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    Sorry to hear about your daughter. Her boyfriend can check to see if he qualifies for the antibody treatment as a prophylaxis.
     
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  15. slightlyskeptic

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    Yes, I believe schools can require vaccines that have been FDA approved for school age children.

    Do you think that people should be required by law to be vaccinated? If not, why not? If so, how would you go about enforcing that?
     
  16. G8trGr8t

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    Boyfriend may have been source
     
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  17. citygator

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    I got my first cold in 2 years last weekend that I’m almost over. Typhoid Teenager #2 brought it home from whatever unsanitary actions teenagers do with each other and spread it in our household and to the neighbors. It’s a time bomb around here. o_O
     
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  18. gator95

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    Good try. I get it, you are still upset about being wrong. Masks not working as really blown up your whole belief system for 20+ months. Tough pill to swallow I guess. Some got on board with realizing lockdowns and school closures were a disaster. It seems it's taking you longer to realize that masks don't work and also that natural immunity is better than the vaccine. Most rational people see that. Key word being "rational".
     
  19. gatorchamps960608

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    Most of the people who agree with your opinions are uneducated twits who get all of their news from social media and think Trump will be reinstated as president any day now.
     
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  20. gator95

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    I hate Trump, but good try. I want everyone over 18 to be vaccinated, but those with natural immunity should be last to get vaccinated. Vaccinate the rest of the world first and don't bother vaccinating kids. That is how this should've been done. But most aren't interested in actually saving lives, just labeling anyone who disagrees a crazy trump supporter. Swing and a miss.
     
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