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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. buckeyegator

    buckeyegator Premium Member

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    color me dumb, but if the vaccine is to prevent you from getting covid, you take the shots and still get it, how really effective is it and is it a waste of time if it does not prevent you from getting covid?
     
  2. OklahomaGator

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    If it is 95% effective, 5% of the people will still get it. They just will not get very sick, probably won't go to the hospital, and I don't know if anyone who has been vaccinated has died from COVID. A lot of people who haven't been vaccinated have died from it.
     
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  3. AzCatFan

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    No vaccine is ever 100% effective. There are always breakthrough cases, such as the ones described above. It's why herd immunity is so important. Reach herd immunity and there aren't enough vectors for the virus to transmit, and even those susceptible to a breakthrough case is covered.

    With that said, the vaccine still offers protection for those who get a COVID breakthrough case. Those vaccinated who still get COVID have, in general, more mild symptoms. Less hospitalizations and less deaths. Hopefully, this is the case for @OklahomaGator friends.
     
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  4. philnotfil

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    Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

     
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  5. dangolegators

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    You've studied the numbers. They've come down from about 250k new cases per day to around 13k new cases per day. Why do you figure that happened?
     
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  6. dangolegators

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    Yes, there's a very good chance your friends will have a lighter case because they were vaccinated.
     
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  7. StrangeGator

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    I'd like some input from any attorneys or HR people on the boards. I work in an Amazon warehouse. We've had very strict protocols since the beginning of the pandemic, provided on-site testing and recently starting offering vaccines on-site. Masks are optional if you show proof of vaccination.

    I've stopped wearing a mask but there's now a recommendation from the CDC to continue masking if you are exposed to a lot of unvaccinated people. Given that recommendation, I've been asking higher ups what percentage of warehouse employees are vaccinated and no one will tell me. Most say they don't know but I've also been told that the information is protected by HPPA, which is patently false. I got the same responses months ago when I asked about the positivity rate for our building. I'm okay with "I don't know" but I get suspicious when someone lies to me or repeats someone else's lie.

    Is it conceivable that they don't have the data? That seems unlikely. Is it unreasonable for me to insist on transparency? My wife is a HPPA, compliance and regulatory specialist at Humana. She thinks I should be told the truth but says I should tread carefully.
     
  8. OklahomaGator

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    I have asked our HR people what percentage of the company is vaccinated and they can't give me an exact answer other than "it is greater than 40%" because we know how many were vaccinated when they came to work to vaccinate employees. But unless the other people tell our HR department they are vaccinated, they don't know.
     
  9. StrangeGator

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    We're highly incentivized to get vaccinated and to provide documentation. We were actually paid for it. I suspect they know who is vaccinated and who's not. There are almost a thousand of us.
     
  10. SeabudGator

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    Is this a real question? Nothing is 100%, right? If somebody says you can get to work 2 ways with one being 99% safe and one being 5% safe, do you ask "what is the point and is it a waste of time if I can get hurt either way" and just sky dive to the office versus driving?

    I just struggle to believe that the simple mathematical fact that getting vaccinated is far safer than not belies the population. Our country is simply not that ignorant. This question has been so politicized as to be perverted from reality.
     
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  11. buckeyegator

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    perhaps people do not want to go through getting the shots, the after effects from them for some if they hear stories like this, and what happened to the nc state baseball team, vavinated people testing positive.
     
  12. ncargat1

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    And yet, only the unvaccinated player actually got sick. Sounds to me like the vaccines worked EXACTLY the way that they were supposed to.
     
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  13. ncargat1

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  14. citygator

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    20 states have reached Biden’s goal to vaccinate 70% of adults with at least one dose: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, NH, NJ, NM, NY, Oregon, Pennsylvania, RI, Vermont, Virginia and Washington (+D.C.)

    Resident %s are here. Adult % buried in data.
    See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State
     
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  15. gatordavisl

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    I wish this was true. If there's one thing the pandemic has taught us, it's that America is loaded with ignorant and stupid people.
     
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  16. gatordavisl

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    Wow - it's almost as if the vaccination progress, like other aspects of the pandemic, is divided along political lines.
     
  17. BigCypressGator1981

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    lol. Lay off the fear porn.
     
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  18. AzCatFan

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    Another article explaining the race between the vaccine and variants. It's not fear. It's certainly not funny. It's just basic virology. Viruses exist to make copies of themselves. These copies aren't always perfect, and the mistakes are called mutations. Some mutations are benign. Others hurt the virus. But those that give the new mutant a upper hand, like being able to spread faster, become variants.
     
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  19. dangolegators

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    There has been an uptick in cases the last couple of weeks and Florida leading the way. Current 7 day average for new cases:

    Florida: 2054
    California: 1254
    Texas: 1263
    New York: 534
    Pennsylvania: 192
    Michigan: 163
     
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  20. philnotfil

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    Old news, missed it when it happened, absolutely floored when someone casually mentioned it in passing.

    Republican lawmakers threaten to dissolve Health Department over child vaccines – Tennessee Lookout