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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. tilly

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    He literally compared not being vaxed (even though we are all masked and distancing) to running through an intersection or standing in a lightning storm .
     
  2. tilly

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    I seriously think that YOU think you are breaking news with year old info. The mask has been proven to protect both for starters, but if you are vaxed (protecting you)...and I am masked (also protecting you) then what exactly is your point?
     
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  3. gator_lawyer

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    It would depend on why the person hasn't gotten vaccinated yet.
     
  4. tilly

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    Why? It's still a terrible analogy because the person in the crosswalk is safe.
    I agree there are some dumb reasons for hesitating. Heck my hesitation may be dumb. But it is not akin to me speeding through an intersection into pedestrians.
     
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  5. gator_lawyer

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    I would distinguish "hesitation" from a refusal to get the vaccine. If all you're doing is waiting for whatever reason (work, scheduling, etc.), that's one thing. If you're refusing to get it for no good reason, that's another. I think that's irresponsible.
     
  6. AzCatFan

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    The person in the crosswalk is safer than a person not in the crosswalk. But even those in a crosswalk cannot account for an idiot driver who is not paying attention to his/her surroundings.

    And my point. When I do go out to go grocery shopping, as someone who is already vaccinated, the person who is unmasked and unvaccinated poses the greatest risk. In chart form, from greatest risk to least risk:

    unvaccinated and unmasked > unvaccinated masked > vaccinated no mask > vaccinated mask > herd immunity.

    Yes, my risk is lower, but since the vaccine has proven to be safe and effective, I question everyone doesn't want to lower his/her risk? And again, we can collectively lower the risk to close to zero if/when we reach herd immunity? Why does anyone want to hesitate to reach this, especially if it means getting back to living life normally?

    The person who refuses to get the vaccine is on a different level than the person waiting for full approval. But considering the millions of people who have been vaccinated with very little side effects, and all arrows pointing to full approval of at least the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines very soon, the only thing the person waiting is accomplishing is causing everyone else to wait longer until we reach herd immunity.

    Tomorrow, the state of Arizona will open shots up to those 12 and up. I'll be on the website tomorrow making an appointment for my daughter. Don't want to get the shot right away because that would put the second shot a day or two before my niece's wedding, and my daughter is a bridesmaid. But my daughter will have both shots before we leave on vacation to visit family in CA.
     
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    Maryland has lifted all capacity restrictions. Still have to mask indoors until more people get vaccinated.
     
  9. tilly

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    Fair enough.
     
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  11. gatordavisl

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    I know. That's exactly what I was going to say.
     
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  12. gatorpa

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    So pfizer will gets to make money on either side, they get paid for the vaccine or the Viagra if someone gets it.... ;)
     
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  15. AzCatFan

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    Brazil is seeing a larger number of child deaths due to COVID-19 than expected. Not sure if it's due to a new variant, poor overall health conditions in Brazil for many children, or a combination of both. Regardless, the number of serious cases of COVID in kids in Brazil is frightening.

    All the more reason to get everyone eligible vaccinated. My 15 year old got her first shot yesterday. If the reason COVID effects children more in Brazil is because of a new variant, let's hope the vaccine stops it. And we have enough vaccinated here to protect our kids. If not, I fear what will happen during the next wave.
     
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  16. gatorpa

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    I'll not be getting my kids vaccinated until there is far more data, I'm following the data on morbidity/mortality in kids so I think the risk of them having a bad time is very low(if they haven't already had it).
     
  17. AzCatFan

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    The immune system of a six month old and a 60 year old react pretty much identically. Almost all shots are given to young kids because it's best to give them protection as early as possible. Why the COVID-19 vaccine be any different?

    Now comes this Brazil variant. It may be kids in Brazil are getting sicker and dying at higher levels due to poor conditions. But what if this variant simply is more dangerous to kids? Then what?

    If it's the latter, not vaccinating everyone now puts our kids at greater risk. Reach herd immunity, and hopefully all variants are stopped cold in the US. But until we reach herd immunity, the population is vulnerable.

    Kids are a part of the population. Their vaccinations add to getting to herd immunity. There has been nothing to suggest any long term side effects of the vaccine, at any age. Let's hope the Brazil variant isn't more dangerous to kids.
     
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  18. gator95

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    Zero reason to get kids under 18 vaccinated at this time unless they have an underlying condition. Very few kids have that. No way am I putting my kids lives in danger for a vaccine that isn't FDA authorized. You do what you want, but most parents I know aren't getting their kids under 16 vaccinated at this time. So much we don't know. What we do know is kids aren't at risk from Covid, almost a zero risk. The risk from the shot itself is unknown at this point, but VAERS numbers don't look great so far for kids. Kids don't need to be vaccinated for something that is as close to zero risk to them as Covid is.
     
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  19. AzCatFan

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    And if the Brazilian variant turns out to be more dangerous to kids than others? Then what?
     
  20. gator95

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    If's and butt's.
     
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