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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. AzCatFan

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    Average person can drive impaired 80 times before being caught with a DUI or getting into an accident. So why have DUI laws at all if most times, people drive without incident? Because thousands still die every year because of drunk drivers, and we've cut that number down with stricter laws and enforcement.

    You believe you aren't a risk. But 10k breakthrough cases and about 100 deaths say otherwise. Why are these cases and deaths acceptable? And why are further breakthrough cases and deaths, mostly preventable by herd immunity acceptable?
     
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  2. ncargat1

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    Add another couple names to the grim stats pile. My wife's uncle died from complications from Covid19 after being in the hospital for a couple of weeks. 80 year old cancer survivor who is in pretty good health for his age otherwise. Sadly, full MAGA family and did not believe in the vaccine and did not have respect for the "China Flu" (thanks Trump). His whole family went on vacation to the Caribbean in late March. 4 days after returning, him, his wife and 4 kids and grandkids all showed symptoms. Him, his wife and youngest grandchild were all hospitalized eventually. His wife responded to monoclonals and recovered. His youngest grandchild recovered but they are worried about his heart. Her uncle never was able to breathe on his own once he was hospitalized, even after the monoclonal treatment. He made improvements and then regressed a few times until he passed away last night. His oldest grandchild is getting married in June.

    Just such a stupid, unnecessary tragedy.
     
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  3. dangolegators

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    My aunt is going through a pretty rough case of covid right now. She too is a Trumper and refused to get vaccinated. My aunt is 68 and anyone at her age should definitely get vaxxed.
     
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  4. tilly

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    Way more than 100 deaths happen from speeding, yet you admitted that you do it.
    Like I said. time for us to move one. You are just saying the same stuff over and over.
    I am just responding the same way over and over.

    I respect you around these parts. Lets just fist bump and move on.
     
  5. tilly

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    Condolences to the family man. So sorry.
     
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  6. ncargat1

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    I feel badly for your aunt, my wife's uncle and their immediate families. Believe it or not, I respect that they want to live life their way. I just still see it as a tragic decision because it would have been so easy to prevent this from happening and not restrict their lives much as all.
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    Do you ever drive impaired? If you could take a vaccine and stop 99% of all people from ever driving impaired, would you? Drunk driving kills about 10k Americans a year. COVID, about 500k last year. Why anyone wouldn't take the vaccine and save people is something I just don't understand.

    Or put it another way. Say herd immunity cuts down on breakthrough cases by 99%. So instead of 10k cases and 100 dead, there is only 100 cases and 1 dead. Do you do your part to save 99 lives?

    Of course, it's more than that. Because herd immunity not only protects breakthrough cases, but everyone, including those not vaccinated. And all you have to do is give up about an hour of your life, over the course of 2 days that are weeks apart, and get a shot.
     
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  8. tilly

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    I repeat...for the THIRD time now:
     
  9. duchen

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    Sorry for your loss. And, I pray that the grandchild's heart becomes strong.
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    Did it change their mind about covid or vaccines?
     
  11. ncargat1

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    Not sure. Not anyone that I speak to and since they are down in S Florida we will not be at the funeral. Even if we did speak, I am thinking that for family peace that this would not be a topic to broach.
     
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  12. ncargat1

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    Thanks. I do not want this to sound wrong, but her uncle as a cancer survivor and 80+ probably already had a tough road for however long he had left before this. I am really worried about the unknown, long term effects on the heart of the 19 year old.
     
  13. duchen

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    The post COVID sequela is a huge problem with survivors. Lung damage, endothelial cell damage, organ damage. I have a friend whose son had a racing heart beat and whose heart is at 70% capacity post COVID. Miami Herald just ran a story on how the hospitalizations of young people are up now and they are seeing lung damage. With this many people dead, the likelihood will by that we will see significant long term problems in the years to come. The false dichotomy has been death-survivor rates. There is the middle ground. Which makes sense for a disease that attacks lung and other tissues like this one. Hopefully, your cousin shows improvement in time.
     
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  14. MaceoP

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    We don't know the long term effects of Covid. We also don't know the long term effects of the vaccine. For someone my age, or past child bearing years, it's a no brainer. If i had a daughter 16+ I would have to do a lot more research as the whether she should take the vaccine or not. I think if we were a year or two into the mass vaccinations, we would know much more than we do now. Other than the example above i posted, i think every adult should take the vaccine. However you cannot force people to do it
     
  15. AzCatFan

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    What are the long term effects of any vaccine? As the Mayo Clinic points out, rarely are there ever long term vaccine effects. There were side effects of mRNA vaccines, but that's why it took 30 years of research before one was finally approved for market. And now, with millions with the vaccine, it's proven to be much safer than getting the disease.

    The science is out there. And if you do your research, it will tell you the vaccine is not only safe, it's absolutely our best weapon against COVID-19. Reach herd immunity and we can all but wipeout the virus. Anything less, and the pandemic is prolonged, and there is v still risk for all. With the greatest risk being a variant that is immune to the vaccine.
     
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  16. homer

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    My daughter age 43 received her first shot on Friday. My son 44 has not gotten a shot yet. He’s coming today to take his mom to lunch. We are both going to encourage him to get the vaccine. My son is obese. I’m afraid covid would be rough on him. Wish us luck
     
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  17. gator4ever88

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    Well gee it’s the fn government
     
  18. gator4ever88

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    Yep, get the shot,keeping wearing a mask and social distance...oh and forget dancing or weddings or any celebratory gathering that encourages family unity and overall happiness. Can’t have that
     
  19. WESGATORS

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    Is there anybody who is unable to receive the vaccine that wants to receive it? I guess that's where I sit. People have the freedom to protect themselves now. People have had the freedom to avoid risky situations. At this point, people who don't want to take it have made a conscious choice to accept the potential risk of dying, no? To these people, their freedom to not be vaccinated is worth the advertised risk. What is unacceptable about that?

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
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  20. oragator1

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    the difference is that is everyone is vaxed the odds of transmission plummet necessary there aren’t cases to catch it from. That’s the whole idea. 95 percent protection from the 40k floating cases is very different than 95 percent protection from near zero.
     
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