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Coronavirus in Florida

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. thegator92

    thegator92 Premium Member

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    Lucky! Which is a weird thing to say, I know. Florida is much cheaper due to the number of elderly. In North Carolina my mom started in an independent living facility at over 5,000, then assisted for almost 10,000, and finally memory unit for 17,000. She passed away last year. It was an okay place, not as nice as a lot I saw in south Florida.
     
  2. gator95

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    That is crazy expensive. My moms place looks like a really nice hotel. It has been a great experience. And it's only 2 miles from my house so I can be there in 5 minutes if there are any issues. My mom won't make it to memory care most likely. She has late stage COPD(smoked for 30 years) and CHF. But she's happy there and FaceTime is a life savor for her to talk to all her grandchildren and great grandchildren.
     
  3. oragator1

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    131 deaths today vs 132 last week. So basically flat.
     
  4. dingyibvs

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    You can't just look at the differences between NY and FL and say that's what caused the higher death rate. In the scientific method, a valid conclusion needs to be repeatable. For example, when people point out that higher population density leads to higher death rates, it's a repeatable result across the nation and really the world.

    Now take Cuomo sending Covid+ patients back to NHs, did you realize that California is STILL doing this? So how do you explain California's much lower death rate when they're also sending Covid+ patients back to NHs?
     
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  5. thegator92

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    Sorry to hear that. It wasn't even the nicest place in Charlotte, but it was just down the road. She had Alzheimer's, terrible to watch, I couldn't really bring the kids the last year of her life because she had a tendency to become violent. I will say the staff was very kind and patient with her. I have no idea how someone could do that job.
     
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  6. WESGATORS

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    New cases. Last 5 days vs. previous week

    Total: 53,604 -

    7/16: 11,362 + 11.82% -
    7/17: 10,199 - 12.15% -
    7/18: 12,411 - 11.83% +
    7/19: 10,287 - 14.75% +
    7/20: 9,345 + 13.62% -

    Total: 58,422

    7/9: 11,343 12.81%
    7/10: 10,274 12.71%
    7/11: 15,135 11.30%
    7/12: 12,548 11.55%
    7/13: 9,122 15.09%

    Also, first 500+ increase in new hospitalizations.

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
  7. gator95

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    U.S. COVID-19 death rate by state | Statista

    Here are the Death rates by state. Most of those states at the top sent Covid+ patients back to nursing homes. That is main reason they are so much higher than everyone else. That's a big enough sample for me to see that was a terrible idea. No idea why California is so low or even when/if they started sending Covid+ patients back to nursing homes.
     
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  8. philnotfil

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    Which states sent covid patients back to nursing homes? What are the main drivers of covid death rates?

    If you have no idea about important details underlying your theory, why are you preaching your theory instead of looking up those important details?
     
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  9. philnotfil

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    For those who want to know more about nursing homes and covid, here are the average covid deaths (Deaths per 1,000 Residents) in nursing homes by state.

    COVID-19 Nursing Home Data | Data.CMS.gov

    New York is tenth on the list. Their decision to send covid patients back to nursing homes almost certainly caused unneeded deaths, but to claim that it caused more deaths than in places that made different decisions isn't supported by the evidence.
     
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  10. BobK89

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    For those of us in Hillsborough County, the new cases as of today were just over 400. Lowest number in close to three weeks. That's good news.
     
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  11. 14serenoa

    14serenoa Living in Orange and surrounded by Seminoles... Premium Member

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    early convalescent therapy may be reducing deaths in all age groups...and that's a good thing.
     
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  12. gator95

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    8 of the 10 states in the top 10 sent Covid+ patients back to nursing homes. Here are some websites with info on them.

    Scalise Demands Answers from Governors on Nursing Home Tragedies - Republican Whip

    More Than 40% of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes

    ‘Playing Russian Roulette’: Nursing Homes Told to Take the Infected

    States ordered nursing homes to take COVID-19 residents. Thousands died. Here's what happened

    We knew very early on from Italy's disaster that the virus targeted the elderly.
     
  13. dingyibvs

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    Here's a list of states ranked by population density, also matches quite well, no? Connecting the dots isn't that easy in science, more rigorous methods and evidence is needed. There are simply too many correlations, even when backed by sound logic, that turn out to be false.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIDBAG&usg=AOvVaw3dOE1vBv4eBdk_BJGDZ8f1
     
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  14. dangolegators

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    So covid did get into your mother's place. We had a debate where you insisted that it would not.
     
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  15. philnotfil

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    This one didn't say anything about states that sent patients back to nursing homes, but it did say that Florida (52%) had a much higher percentage of its deaths take place in nursing homes than New York (21%). Was this meant to be included in your links?
     
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  16. BigCypressGator1981

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    I have absolutely no evidence to support this theory but my suspicion is the virus has mutated to a more contagious but less lethal strain - which would explain both the rampant growth in cases but lower death rate throughout the south
     
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  17. leftcoastgator

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    Population density by state is meaningless. The population density of cities and counties is more meaningful. States like California, Texas, Nevada have many thousands of square miles of uninhabited desert and mountains, but also very dense population centers.

    Las Vegas has a population density of just under 5,000 per sq mile. Nevada's is 26 per sq mile. State averages are useless.
     
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  18. gator95

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    That's because NY isn't releasing the info on nursing home deaths.

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/nursing-home-coronavirus-deaths-dont-match-official-ny-state-tallies/

    It's easy to be 10th in nursing home deaths if you don't report them.

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/nursing-home-coronavirus-deaths-dont-match-official-ny-state-tallies/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...de78e6-bfbd-11ea-8908-68a2b9eae9e0_story.html

    If the decision was such a good one why did Cuomo rescind the decision to send covid+ patients to nursing homes? Just call it like it is. A terrible decision.
     
  19. dangolegators

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    The Coumo/nursing home thing has mostly just been a right wing talking point. But the real impact of it probably wasn't that much. The people who were being sent back to nursing homes got covid in the nursing home to begin with. Covid was already there, in residents and employees. Covid was everywhere in NYC in March.
     
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  20. gator95

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    I did not insist it would never happen. I said the likely hood of a breakout occurring would be minimal compared to other states and I was right. 2 cases out of 450 people plus staff to me isn't a breakout or even a concern as they quarantined the 2 parties immediately. Sorry to ruin your argument.