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Collusion: Manafort and Gates met with Russian Agent in August 2016 While Running Trump Camapaign

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by duchen, Feb 7, 2019.

  1. flgator2

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    Judge grills Mueller team on claim Manafort lied; prosecutors say issue's 'at heart' of Russia probe
    Judge grills Mueller team on claim Manafort lied; prosecutors say issue's 'at heart' of Russia probe
    But at the closed-door hearing on Monday, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson repeatedly and bluntly pressed prosecutors to explain why Manafort's misstatements, including some that he corrected voluntarily, should affect his upcoming sentencing.

    The judge, who is also handling the ongoing criminal case against Trump associate Roger Stone, openly wondered whether prosecutors had bombarded Manafort with a series of difficult and irrelevant questions during the roughly 50 hours of interviews that followed his plea deal.
    I know you are fair and want only the truth. This the 2nd Judge to questions Mueller reasons also. I think it's pretty obvious that mueller and his thugs are a bit crooked
     
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  2. fredsanford

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    To believe this, you have to believe several republican appointed judges okayed surveillance on flimsy reasons. Didn’t happen.
     
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  3. flgator2

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    You're correct in the fact that were presented with a false info and I'm willing to agree that some of these repub judges could have been swayed with flimsy info.
     
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    “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”

    There is a lot of yelling coming from the co-conspirators, indicted and unindicted.
     
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  5. mdgator05

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    Then how is convicting people of those crimes a waste of time?

    To your point, there is no indication of either having occured. In addition, FISA warrants are not for criminal investigations but rather for counter-intelligence investigations. We are discussing the criminal investigations of the Trump campaign's members. Lucky for you, lying and/or providing uncorroborated info on a message board is not illegal.
     
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  6. duchen

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    The question isn’t whether he gets credit for his coperation. Again, you are dodging the question. The question asked is whether the investigation is a “witch hunt” given that Manafort admitted meeting with someone he knew to be a Russian spy during the campaign, particularly given his entire history with Ukraine and the post Russian invasion background. Your post admits that meeting but again dodges the question. Your link is a FOX New spin on the normal questions a judge would ask a prosecutor on these circumstances. FOX misled in its analysis of Flynn and it is off base here. It is extremely unlikely Manafort would “forget” a clandestine meeting with a Russian spy that Gates and he attended, separately arriving and separately leaving. But. Who cares? That they met is the problem. As for Mueller being crooked, what is in it for him? And, it is funny reading that lies were presented to judges without details. After the Carter Page FISA warrant was based on the “fake Dossier” story. Lea up. Which mueller had nothing to do with anyway. So, again answer the question: is it a “witch hunt” to inveatigate Manafort’s contacts during the campaign with someone he knew to be a Russian spy?
     
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  7. duchen

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    Untrue.
     
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  8. fastsix

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    You're complaining about criminals who got caught, found guilty by a jury of the peers, and sentenced. Why does it matter that if the breaks had went their way they would have got away with it? For every major drug dealer in jail, there are probably a dozen who don't get caught. Do you feel bad for those drug dealers who do get caught because others don't? Does it offend your sense of fairness or something?
     
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    It's funny how every time a judge questions Mueller, you guys get all excited, but then the judges find in Mueller's favor. How many times are you going to get excited about that before you realize that Mueller is both honest and prepared? A judge asking questions of Mueller doesn't indicate he and his "thugs" are "a bit crooked". It indicates the judge is asking questions so they have all the information they need to come to a fair decision. It's kind of the definition of their job.
     
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    It's funny how you guys get so upset about this. I'm sure you're right, the judges are just making sure they have all the info they need
     
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    No
    I'm talking about a this witch hunt
     
  12. fastsix

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    A witch hunt implies you're after something that doesn't exist. Manafort has already been found guilty by a jury of his peers. He, and his crimes exist. The thing we're trying to figure out is why a criminal being caught is so upsetting to you.
     
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    Hard right wingers becoming evidentiary due process libertarians is hilarious.

    You would have locked up Obama or Hillary for 1/100th of what we know about Trump with no evidence other than Hannity’s say so.
     
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    And before that it was Judge Ellis who was going to put Mueller in his place

     
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  16. duchen

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    I said the same thing. Of course the Judge is going to test the government as to whether Manafort lies. Any judge would ask tough questions in these circumstances. I just find it really sad that anybody would defend Manafort if they were not hired to do so. The man offered inside information from the camapign tovwork off his debts, met with a spy, and delivered. All connected to Ukraine and Russia’s interest there. The lack of a sense of loyalty to the country is remarkable. At best, Manafort sold out the camapaign while he sold out the country. At worst, the camapign was complicit.
     
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  17. OaktownGator

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    There is no evidence that ever happened.

    There are however, a half dozen foreign intelligence services who came to us with evidence that Trump campaign officials were having suspicious communications with Russian agents.

    That's a fact.
     
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  18. duchen

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    Manafort’s acknowledgement of his commications with Kiliminick corroborate more of what Steele reported. The attacks on the Steele memos, meaningless as the memos are to the investigation, are disappearing as time goes on.
     
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  19. flgator2

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    Comey’s confession: dossier not verified before, or after, FISA warrant
    Comey’s confession: dossier not verified before, or after, FISA warrant
    There's other stories out there besides this. You know this. I'm sure parts of his report are true. But there's no Russia/Trump collusion .
     
  20. OaktownGator

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    You need to read a touch deeper in these articles. This one make a lot of opinionated claims and links exactly nothing to back them up, and in fact continues to regurgitate the false narrative on the Steele Dossier.

    The whole Steele Dossier story is irrelevant to the investigation, even though much of the Steele Dossier has actually been confirmed as the investigation has continued.

    Where in the article did it specify what was used from the Steele Dossier to obtain warrants? Any warrants? The answer is nowhere. Yet it tries to imply the whole Dossier was the basis for a number of warrants.

    The only thing used from the Dossier was Page's trip to Russia to meet with Russian agents, as part of the warrant request against Page. A trip that was verified. And later confirmed by Page himself. And the warrant on Page was supported by information other than the dossier.

    Carter Page FISA Documents Are Released by Justice Department

    Edit - aside from the fact there is no evidence I am aware of that the Dossier was used improperly, why does the right continue to ignore the mountains of evidence outside of the Dossier, including the fact that six different foreign intelligence services came to us to warn us of Trump admin officials in suspicious communications with Russian agents? In the good old days of say five years ago, the folks on the right would have already lynched the commie spies by now. Why support them and make irrelevant excuses for them?
     
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