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Clarence Thomas teaching a 2 week class at UF

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. CaptUSMCNole

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    Deleted that post as I didn't think it added anything to the conversation.

    Toobin clearly has some major personal issues with Thomas and uses his platform to belittle him. Toobin has actually called Thomas "a nut." I understand having different political opinions but what Toobin is doing is closer to a character assassination effort against Thomas than legit criticism.
     
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  2. gator_lawyer

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    Thinking Thomas is a nut in context of his jurisprudence doesn't mean one has a personal grudge. Many people, including myself, hold the same opinion.
     
  3. wgbgator

    wgbgator Tiny "Boop Squig" Shorterly Premium Member

    Look, in the week that Mr Peanut died, its just insensitive to call someone a nut.

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  4. CaptUSMCNole

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    Sorry but Toobin is on record as calling Roberts “very, very Conservative.” So now we are suppose to trust his judgement of someone further to the right of Roberts? Sorry but I don’t have to do that. I also think that Toobin has a special bone to pick with Thomas because he sees him as an Uncle Tom and use his analysis of his legal opinions to call him one.
     
  5. CaptUSMCNole

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    Actually Planters has delayed his death due to the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash.
     
  6. gator_lawyer

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    That's your evidence? That he called a conservative justice "very, very conservative"? You haven't introduced a legitimate reason for us not to trust his judgment. And again, a lot of people consider Thomas to be an Uncle Tom.
     
  7. CaptUSMCNole

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    So if an African American with Thomas’ background and education is a conservative, it automatically makes him an Uncle Tom?
     
  8. gator_lawyer

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    Thomas used his blackness to his benefit and now wants to pull up the ladder behind him. That makes him an Uncle Tom.
     
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  9. CaptUSMCNole

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    So how did Thomas “use his blackness to benefit” and how is he trying to “pull up the ladder behind him?”

    Could it might just be that Thomas’ experience of hard work and conservative values served him very well in life and thinks that does more for an individual than government intervention can?

    Either way it is pretty clear that it drives Toobin nuts that the only African American on the SCOTUS is a conservative and would love to call him an Uncle Tom but his publishers won’t allow it so he does so by belittling Thomas through his difference of legal opinion.
     
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  10. gator_lawyer

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    Thomas benefited from affirmative action throughout his life (including in being chosen to replace Thurgood Marshall) and used his blackness as a shield against the women accusing him of sexual harassment. Now, Thomas is intent on ending affirmative action. I don't think you could get a clearer answer to your question.
     
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  11. CaptUSMCNole

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    Thomas has talked about how he thought affirmative action hurt him after law school. I’m not sure how you can said it has helped him throughout his life unless you are using the Warren as Native American help her throughout her life argument that some on the right use.

    Did Thomas being AA help him in being Bush’s pick to be on the SCOTUS, I won’t argue it didn’t. However, he didn’t end up as the pick because he was unqualified. He was Federal DC Appeals Court judge and was deemed qualified enough for that his confirmation was uneventful. There are a lot of SCOTUS Justices that end up on the Court because they were what that POTUS was looking for at that time.

    I’ll be honest that I don’t remember the details of the Thomas accusations and I don’t want to refight the Kavanaugh hearings so I won’t argue on this point.
     
  12. citygator

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    I’ll refresh your memory: Clarence was dead to rights guilty of harassment but it was a he said, she said case. It was all prior to electronic communication so no digital trail. Doesn’t matter though cause even now Trump is on video tape talking about harassing and none of you care.
     
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  13. CaptUSMCNole

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    Like I said, I don’t want to refight the Kavanaugh hearings so I’m not going to get into this one. Appreciate you trying to provide background though.
     
  14. tampagtr

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    I don't have any problem with Thomas' silence on the bench. I think it's actually admirable.

    But Toobin is correct. His jurisprudence is indefensible. Crazy you might even call it. Two examples. And no I'm not going to remember the names of the cases. He actually thinks that the Establishment Clause does not prevent a state from establishing an official religion so long as it permits free exercise. It is correct that the Establishment Clause has not been explicitly selectively incorporated to apply to the states through the 14th Amendment, but that's only because no one's ever thought it was an issue. No one else out of his crazy circle of Opus Dei inspired jurisprudence would hold that opinion.

    He also recently filed opinion which can only be described as a conspiratorial rant which is embarrassing in the census case last year, basically accusing a district court judge of fabricating evidence. It's the kind of thing that could get you labeled as insane if it weren't so clear that he lives in the far right-wing bubble.

    Plus it's just so wrong to me to have a spouse that involved in politics when you're on the bench, to the extreme. It's only a matter of time until Qanon stuff gets into his opinions
     
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  15. g8rjd

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    Thomas has an interesting jurisprudential philosophy that is quite different than almost anyone else that has been on the Court. I’d want to hear him, whether I agree with him or not, just like I would like to have had an opportunity to have heard from Marshall or Douglas on the other end of the spectrum. The opportunity to have a class with any US Supreme Court Justice is incredible. There’s only 9 active ones at any one time, except for maybe a few that have retired but still sit on a few appellate panels in the Circuits every once in a while.
     
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  16. gator_lawyer

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    Of course Thomas thinks that. And that's why he's an Uncle Tom. What hurt Thomas was racial discrimination, not affirmative action. He was treated as lesser than his white classmates because he was black. But the fact that he was able to attend Yale opened doors for him that weren't open to many others. And Thomas would not have been chosen to replace Thurgood Marshall if he was not black (he had been on the D.C. Circuit for only a year; he wasn't some no-brainer pick). It's a cruel irony that Thurgood Marshall was replaced by Clarence Thomas.
    Clarence Thomas: Race Traitor?
    Black Republicans like former Secretary of State Colin Powell have long been warmly embraced in communities of color, and in Powell's case even long before he endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president. Those black conservatives who are embraced, however, from Powell to Joe Watkins, appear to share one commonality: Their commitment to the black community was never in question.
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    But in the case of Thomas, the opposite is true. Not only has he never engaged with civil rights groups in a meaningful away — unlike Powell, who has a long-standing relationship with the United Negro College Fund — Thomas has spent much of his career attacking civil rights measures, measures from which he benefited.
     
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  17. raygravesghost

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    He's been saving up his words for this outburst..
     
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  18. mutz87

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    Tape measure dinger.

    I don't think Thomas truly thinks AA hurt him, that is just his excuse. I think what really drives his thinking is that to the bones he fears that his success is and will forever be viewed by a racist white society as a product of AA. Yet for all his faults, the irony is that he understands how deep and expansive racism has been in the US. His con-libertarianism hamstrings him from ever becoming a jurisprudential force on the bench in tackling issues of race/racism because he doesn't understand how structural racism is the source of individual racism.
     
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  19. wgbgator

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    There's a newish book out that makes a pretty compelling case that Thomas should be viewed as a black nationalist (rather than say, a craven Uncle Tom type), and it uses his judicial opinions and writings to make the case. Anyways its probably one of the more cogent looks at Thomas from a left perspective:

     
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  20. Gatorrick22

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    This is the power structure behind socialism...

    The try to shame you by calling all supporters of the other side deplorables.
    They intimidate you in public places while having dinner...
    They assault you in public if they see you wearing a MAGA hat...
    They get the Leftists media to make fun of all Pubs on their shows.
    The run off free speech speakers from public universities..

    This is the "tolerant " Leftists, and their gang-banger tactics that will only get more violent the more power that they steal in government.
     
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