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California State Breakup Update

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. citygator

    citygator Premium Member

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    its officially on the ballot...

    Initiative to break California into 3 states to go on November ballot
    By Madison Park, CNN

    Posted at 2:58 AM ET, Wed June 13, 2018

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    Initiative to break California into 3 states qualifies for ballot - CNN
     
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  2. tilly

    tilly Superhero Moderator with bulletproof posts! Moderator VIP Member

    I may buy stock in a flag manufacturer!
    Not sure how they will fit 52 on there...but that isn't my problem as long as the orders roll in!
     
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  3. ajoseph

    ajoseph Premium Member

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    If California splits, watch for Florida next. We should be three states given the huge political disparity between regions.
     
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  4. wgbgator

    wgbgator Very Stable Genius Premium Member

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    Not that the polling is that comprehensive, but the measure has something like 17% support. I don't think it has a chance.
     
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  5. gatorknights

    gatorknights GC Hall of Fame

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    And cultural.
     
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  6. slayerxing

    slayerxing GC Hall of Fame

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    Dividing states on political lines seems like a recipe for disaster.
     
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  7. GatorNavy

    GatorNavy Damn the torpedoes! Moderator Premium Member

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    Kind of like political gerrymandering congressional districts, but on a grander scale.
     
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  8. tilly

    tilly Superhero Moderator with bulletproof posts! Moderator VIP Member

    Dividing Florida seems logical. They could call everything outside of Dade County "Florida" and everything in Dade County "Not Florida". :D
     
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  9. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    Not gonna happen but interesting to talk about, I guess.

    California is a very large, very culturally and economically diverse state. Easy to see how different constituencies would get dissatisfied with statewide decisions.
     
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  10. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    The constitution sets a pretty high bar for this to actually happen.
     
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  11. gatorknights

    gatorknights GC Hall of Fame

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    Maybe they could do it like Corrine Brown's district--Jacksonville to Eatonville via Palatka. Go Gata!
     
  12. wgbgator

    wgbgator Very Stable Genius Premium Member

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    Not only that, but its just profoundly stupid that California gets 2 senators, the same amount of Senators as Wyoming. I don't think its just statewide decisions that make this idea palatable.
     
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  13. exiledgator

    exiledgator Gruntled

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    Yeah. What happens when someone becomes conservative in NorCal, then another, and another? Northern North California?

    It's symptomatic of our biggest problem right now. This country needs to get along or die.
     
  14. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator VIP Member

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    I highly doubt this happens but we certainly are living in strange times and cally has some weird ass people with weird ass ideas
     
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  15. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    I don't think two senators per state is stupid. It is by design so that smaller states don't get completely over run in the legislative process. Also so that there is a bit more maturity and contemplation in that side of congress with the six year terms and tougher path to get elected.

    What I think is colossally stupid is allowing gerrymandering, and allowing partisan control of the electoral system. The two big parties are screwing us for their own good, while blocking third parties from becoming viable.

    I also think the Electoral College in rubber stamp, winner take all form that it currently executes in, is stupid. It should be proportional rather than winner take all. This should encourage higher voter turn out everywhere, and greatly decrease the practice of nominees just campaigning in swing states. Everyone's vote matters because it goes to the proportion in your state.
     
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  16. madgator

    madgator GC Hall of Fame

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    Localism is the only hope for the future for the 98%......this is just the easiest first step
     
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  17. secgator

    secgator GC Hall of Fame

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    Good point. When you see it visually like this, it makes one wonder if a couple of more states do it--at some point it will mean Obama will be elevated to a prophet in the eyes of his worshippers.:rolleyes:
     
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  18. Tasselhoff

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    Oak realllllllllyyyy wanted to get his point across
    And I agreed with him all three times
     
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  19. channingcrowderhungry

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    I think we outgrew the size of a republic that is still functional a long time ago. Especially if you ask Plato. I'm just not sure there is a better option.
     
  20. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    LOL. Nice catch... computer/network issues. Didn't act like it was posting.

    I deleted the dupes... for reference of anybody who can't tell what you're talking about.