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Bunting vs the shift

Discussion in 'Diamond Gators' started by OklahomaGator, Jun 7, 2021.

  1. gtr2x

    gtr2x GC Hall of Fame

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    Have to say as a hitter a million years ago, I always hated bunting, still recall a blood blister from a misplaced finger. Luckily I didnt have to do it very often.
     
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  2. paidinfull

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    Lol, there were several in the lineup this year.
     
  3. GatorLurker

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    A lot of the insane shifts against lefties was with two strikes. With less than two strikes they did keep a fielder that might make a play on a bunt.
     
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  4. paidinfull

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    I liked bunting. I wasn't the best hitter, but I hit leadoff on a lot of my teams because......yep, I got on base. Hbp, walks, bunts, slapped a ball oppo, whatever. I pretty much never swung away with runners on unless there was two outs cause I'd probably ground into a double play anyway so I might as well just move a baserunner. I had no issue bunting with two strikes, and liked it cause teams were usually not expecting it. Nothing like a two out, two strike bunt for a hit. Shit like that frustrates the hell out of the opposing team.
     
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  5. ursidman

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    Aint manly. There is honor in getting a hit through the shift. That must be it.
     
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  6. wingtee

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    Thought we already had that skill ! That was a pretty funny post Paid ! I have to give you credit.
     
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  7. wingtee

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    So if I was on the hill you would work my fat ass over with your bunt skills .
     
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  8. wingtee

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    You probably were a power hitter with great launch angle .. no need for you to bunt
     
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  9. BobbyGator72

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    I read an article awhile back that said teams actually don't want their players to bunt or go the other way against the shift because most of the time Analytics said it would be better to swing away and try for an extra base hit/homerun. The game has changed. That said I would love to see more players beat the shift with a bunt or going the other way.
     
  10. 74nole

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    72—

    I just imagine that the people that take that stance are the same ones that back the use of the shift themselves, the same ones that have bought in on the use of Analytics, the same ones that try for an extra base hit/home run.

    I have family still coaching in pro ball and I will say it like this. It is very disheartening to have to adhere to these “numbers” approaches as opposed to teaching the sound fundamentals and mechanics that have always been taught and created the successes in the game as we have known them to be.

    It has caused several ol’school teachers of the game to be pushed out.
    Sad indeed, very sad.
     
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  11. WESGATORS

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    If you find the article, let me know. I would be curious to look at the data involved. I would think there is a relatively low sample size of successful attempts at bunting against the shift. ODU just took advantage of the shift with a 2-out weak dribbler to short (nobody home), bringing in a runner from 3rd.

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  12. gtr2x

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    Funny, yea as long as nobody threw me one of those 12 to 6 curve balls, especially a junk throwing lefty. Then it was all over.
    Never heard of launch angle and spin rate even when coaching my son's travel teams about ten years ago. Must be a recent development. Times have changed and Im falling behind I guess. :(;)
     
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  13. wingtee

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    Never heard of the 12-6 break ;)
     
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  14. flgatr1

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    So true. The baseball world has forgotten the bunt. It makes the defense have to make the play in a hurry. So different than the horrible strike out.
     
  15. GatorLurker

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    Analytics has shown that the bunt is not a good play early in a game. But it is an essential skill in close late games. It is still important, but not as important as once was considered. Hence fewer reps in practice and you get what we now see on the field.
     
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    And now many times did Ted Williams bunt?

    I don't care what the game situation is, guys that can hit like that should never bunt.
     
  17. WESGATORS

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    The core analytics will never yield a "bunt" or "not bunt," but rather a "successful bunt % would need to be _____ to balance out a successful non-bunt % of _____" Some of that will be subjective in terms of what detailed result is valued, and some of that will be dependent on what a player is capable of (and in the long-term, what is a player's max capability over time).

    Go GATORS!
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    No body on our team hit .406 this year
     
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    Bahahaha!
     
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  20. GatorLurker

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    Exactly. Even Jud should learn how to bunt.

    When you get intentionally walked with the bases loaded you can forget about bunting.
     
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