Biden Revives Republican Party

Uh what? They got to count legal property towards their population for purposes of representation. I would love to not 'fully benefit' from counting 3/5th of the cars in Florida toward my representation. That would give me more power. Sure only 3/5ths extra power instead of 5/5ths, but still lol.

 

It was better than their totally counting for representation purposes.

 

Well, I guess congratulations to the framers for their not total capitulation to slavers. If that's your position, I'd love to negotiate some deals with you!

 

Can we break the discussion on "minimum wage" into a few parts?

Not all jobs are the same.

Why does a part time low level job, ex: ice cream server, bag boy, car wash attendant (typical jobs that young HS kids get for pocket money) need to be lumped in with people working a 40 hour a week job trying to support themselves?

One size approaches don't work.

Can we agree that some jobs aren't worth the same as others?

Can we agree that some jobs should not be consider a route to support an adult lifestyle?

 

Why arent all jobs the same? Who came up with idea that some jobs arent "real" jobs? That just sounds like a way of getting around paying people a fair wage.

 

Women, children, and prisoners counted. As did indentured servants. I hear what you are saying though.

 

Is this serious?
I'm trying to have a discussion and this is what you ask?

If you can't see the difference in a kid bagging groceries 10 hours a week and a guy managing a business why even talk?

It's not that a job is "real" or not, but this idea that EVERY JOB should pay a living wage is a bit silly.

BTW what salary is a living wage? Does it vary base on where you live?

 

It is serious. Any job that isn't paying a wage you can live on is exploitation. The only reason that exploitation exists is because of an irrational view that some jobs aren't serious. The average age of a fast food worker is in their 30s. Yet people, with no evidence or based purely on nostalgia or myth, think its a job for HS kids in the summer instead of a job that should be able to support someone. That's just as untethered from material fact as the gamestop stock being worth $400 a share. Why should any job that you cant live on exist?

 

Why is the responsibility of a business owner to pay more than what a jobs skill sets are worth?
Because now every job is job someone has to live on? Says who?

Supply and demand applies to the job market and wages also.

Sorry some jobs aren't serious, bagging groceries? Flipping burgers? Those are simplistic, jobs which require no thought and or skills.

 

Why arent those things serious? How does a burger restaurant make money without someone cooking the burger? Seems pretty crucial to the operation. The most important thing really.

 

We should probably replace the minimum wage with a universal income at some point. And that does mean we will be subsidizing low wage employers, but it's the lesser of 2 evils.

 

many jobs don’t have to exist. These low paying jobs you abhor may just go away. I’m guessing that isn’t the outcome you are looking for.

Even any generous interpretation of “all jobs are the same” is just preposterous.

 

If a job only exists because they can pay someone very little money, it should go away

 

so if somebody wants to work for $12.00, by your infinite wisdom they should not be allowed to?

 

Of course not. If someone wants to enslave themselves, I dont we should let people take advantage of that either.

 

Yet these unreal jobs were deemed “essential.”

And these unreal jobs are somehow critical to producing a productive workforce. Think of all the doctors out there who never worked at McDonald’s. Clearly these are untrained amateurs who can’t be trusted to diagnose a disease.

But I am glad to see people coming around to my position that if these jobs are so mindless that a robot can do them, then that’s exactly what should happen.

 

When I peruse my county and school board's web site there are a lot of jobs that do not pay $15 an hour. Several start off at $8 an hour. I wonder why I've never heard anyone ask to have their property taxes increased in order to pay clerks et al a "livable" wage.

 

$12.00/hr is now enslavement... SMH

They always have a choice, learn a trade, go to college.

Sorry this comes from my perspective of living on minimum wage on my own since I was 19, it drove me back to college for a job that I could live better on, that drove me to stay in school and get yet another degree to "perish the thought" make more money.

Was it easy? Nope
Did I still go and have fun as a young adult yup.
Somehow I was able to afford 1-2 ski/surf trips a year.
No car payment, no cable TV was how I did those other things...

 

Back to the original thread topic. Is the Republican party really revived? Outside of a few select issues to unify on, it appears to me that the Republican party is having quite an identity crises. They are attacking and attempting to eat any party member who is non-Q.