Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Gator715, Feb 24, 2020.
we can't all have common sense
The complete irony of this partisan attack thread is that Bernie is 100 times more anti-communism that our current openly communist-friendly president.
Given that the presidential candidacy of Bernie Sanders may be on it's way to becoming a footnote in history, I wonder if there will be many more posts in this thread.
I guess on top of being a commie and praising Castro before you're elected was not such a great idea.
Obviously, millions voted for him
I hate to beat a dead horse, but . . . somebody gets it:
Bernie is wrong: It’s better to make the poor richer than to make the rich poorer
Can't you even have a small amount of respect for the large number of jobs that billionaires tend to create?
Aren't you a Senator, Bernie? Aren't you a leader in the legislative branch? Why couldn't you work with your peers in the House to come up with legislation to persuade billionaire business owners to share a little more of their wealth with employees (without persuading them to pack up and move their business to another country)?
Sounds like what Obama proposed on the campaign trail--spreading the wealth around. He won his elections in spite of comments like that, not because of it.
You don't say?
Too many liberals assume that an excellent economy and a certain amount of wealth is their birthright. "We are Americans--we are entitled to all this wealth. The wealth wasn't created by individuals; it was created by the government. The government created roads, and businesses use those roads to move products and generate revenue. Therefore, most of the credit needs to go to the government. Anybody could create a successful business with the infrastructure available in the U.S." Well, guess what? Greece also has roads provided by their government. So does Cuba and Venezuela. Yet they have a tiny fraction of the wealth of the U.S. There must be more to it than roads and other infrastructure. And not all businesses started in the U.S. are successful--there must be something in favor of the people who start the successful ones.
If you start taking wealth away from the wealthy in the form of high tax rates, they will simply move their wealth to Europe, the Caribbean or elsewhere. We have already exported a huge number of middle-class manufacturing jobs to other countries. We don't need to do more of that, because then everyone will be less wealthy.
There are a lot of people who keep saying Bernie just wants to build the Nordic model over here, but there is a fundamental difference between what he preaches and the actual Nordic model. They respect capitalism because it is their economic engine. They aren't trying to gouge the rich and their corporations to pay for their welfare state. Their corporate tax rates on average in Europe is about what the U.S. rate is now after the "huge giveaway to the rich". I was talking to a guy from Finland about it and he said Bernie would likely be in the left wing party in Finland based on what he says, not in line with actual governance of that country. You can make national health insurance work and there are several examples of where it has, but Bernie and Warren aren't the people that can get it done. Just read his bill, which is a general summary of the changes he wants with no details and compare that to the 2,000 page ACA bill, which dove into the details. They did their work on the latter and even still got some key assumptions wrong. Bernie has only a general idea of what he wants, no numbers to back up his claims and questionable premises on a sustainable funding mechanism. Not to mention that our political system is so broken that it would be unlikely to get many of the key measures through even if the majority was for the plan.