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Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by intimigator1, Jan 31, 2020.

  1. VAg8r1

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    Seems that you're being rather disingenuous. On one hand you imply that additional witnesses really aren't necessary since the Democrats relied on the testimony of 17 witnesses. On the other hand you are pointing out that most of the Democratic witnesses didn't have direct knowledge regarding the specific allegations against Trump yet you have no problem with the decision of the Trump Administration and his senatorial sycophants to block the testimony of witnesses who do have direct knowledge such as John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney.
     
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  2. VAg8r1

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    Not to mention using the his position as POTUS to enrich himself and his family of grifters.
     
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  3. gator10010

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    The House didn't prove a crime.

    Thing is it doesn't matter if there was quid pro quo or not. The President has the authority to investigate corruption and there was plenty of evidence to suggest corruption with the Biden's.
     
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  5. AndyGator

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    Republicans have definitely entered a new level of corruption. The one thing left for America is to get out and vote and purge as many Republicans out of office as possible. Hopefully America chooses to return to Democracy in November 2020. We'll see.
     
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  6. VAg8r1

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    Why didn't Trump ask his own DOJ to investigate corruption by the Bidens? Maybe because that narrative is about as credible as the narrative that classes at Trump University could teach one how to be a successful real estate investor.

    If Trump was really interesting in investigating corruption in Ukraine by Americans he could have started here.
    After boost from Perry, backers got huge gas deal in Ukraine
    or here
    Two Giuliani Associates Used Washington Connections to Chase Ukraine Gas Deal
    While the entire story is behind a pay wall, the opening paragraph provides a clear summary.

    Trump isn't interested in investigating corruption by Americans in Ukraine, he's interested in facilitating it.
     
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  7. cluckugator

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    This Republican will vote for ANYONE not named Trump or Warren. Would have to think really hard before pulling the lever for Bernie, but what is he going to do? Run up the National debt even more than Trump? Raise my taxes? Doesn’t seem that bad.

    I’ve voted for Marco every election, but want him to clarify his position on this shit show. He pretty much said it isn’t right, but I’m a coward. Unless I missed something.
     
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  8. gator10010

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    "Maybe", "if"....those are the exact reasons why the House couldn't prove a crime.

    The best argument the Democrats had, quid pro quo, (which is debatable at best) isn't even an impeachable offense.
     
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  9. rivergator

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    That's an opinion, not a fact.
     
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  10. intimigator1

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    it seems "investigating corruption by a President" is your passion and takes up alot of your time. Honestly, I never heard of any campaign speech or any President make it a personal thing to confront another country and be so passionate about this corruption thingy that he held money and threw in the leading opposition contender to clear it up. I mean...dealing with his buddies in N.Korea, Saudi Arabia, Russia, which are all non corruption leading countries, must have opened his eyes! Ukraine....seems like a big reach for that good ol fighting corruption Trump money holding thing.
     
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    Just saying but what is wrong with Trumpies? Is it really that big of a deal to admit he used allocated funds to pressure a false narrative from an ally? Is it?
     
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    An impeachment by the House that received no bi-partisan support. Not a single House Republican voted to impeach. That’s the first time in history an impeachment moved forward without bi-partisan support. The attempted coup is over. Now Trump can be re-elected and the American people can continue working and seeing their wages increase and quality of life continue to get better. Lowest unemployment in my lifetime!
     
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    TDS is real and it applies to his jock sniffing supporters. It's not a left or right thing, iit's not a R or D thing, it's a right or wrong thing. Dude is RE fraud 101 from jump. He has targeted a market, exploited it and played it it like a cheap violin.

    This guy can see it, why can't so many people not?

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    Because they refuse. It's not that they're not smart enough because they are, they simply choose not to.
     
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    Yep Trump is responsible for all these hoaxes the Dems/deep state have engineered. I am sure there are more Russia Boogeyman/Trump hoaxes to come also.
     
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    Besides the witnesses Trump's team wanted called in the House who was forbidden from testifying?
     
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    So it's not about what Trump did in this specific case, but his general lack of character, and how he "cheapened the Office". Ah, it's a shame he couldn't bring class to the Office like President Clinton did when he was having sex with interns in the Oval Office. That was a moment of great American pride, I can tell ya! It's all about traditions and norms, you know, like taking bribes and making republicans ride in the back of the bus (if they keep quiet), and handing out hundreds of millions of dollars to your campaign bundlers. Like telling lies and bribing members of Congress to pass questionable legislation. That had me impressed beyond words, I tell ya!

    So republicans objected to Obama over policy (not his skin color!), but never impeached him, in spite of multiple cases of "Chicago-style politics", and that likely angered you. They did not properly worship The Chosen One. Now democrats brazenly announce that they are not offended by Trump's policies, they are just offended by him, and therefore he should be removed from office.

    Do you even know who Andrew Jackson was? In fact, he was part of the traditions and norms that served this country well for nearly 250 years, and he was an extremely offensive president. He was both widely loved by parts of the country and hated, loathed and despised by other parts. He was politically incorrect. He had no manners. He was uncouth. He was considered "dangerous" to the country. Yet the nation survived his time in office.

    WE GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE TRUMP. WE DIDN'T LIKE OBAMA EITHER. BUT WE DIDN'T IMPEACH HIM. IF IT'S THAT BAD YOU NEED AN IMPEACHMENT, HAVE A DOCTOR PRESCRIBE XANAX TO YOU.

    I don't like Trump, either. But I am not willing to throw away democracy to get him out of office (because, guess what, that is what you are doing, so don't act surprised when republicans do the same to the next Bill Clinton or Barack Obama). Give me a decent (non-Socialist, non-corrupt) democrat candidate to vote for, and I'll vote for him/her. Otherwise, I will write in a vote for some republican governor that does not offend me. This is how you get rid of a president you don't like.
     
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    Well, Trump looks like he is about to be aquitted, if that happens, there would be a precendt set. Which would no longer make it an opinion.

    Or you are agreeing that there was no quid pro quo.
     
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    This is rich coming from you. Especially the way you started off the thread.

    None the less it doesn't take much time to acknowledge the facts. Sorry, impeachment didn't work out for you.
     
  19. carpeveritas

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    I have been watching our government since I was eligible to vote in 1974 and have been through losses as well as wins. At no point in my life have I ever declared any election invalid or unjust. The answer was always wait until the next election. That said it doesn't mean I haven't been disappointed and some times down right angry with our elected officials and the shenanigans that they put our nation through. Nor does it mean I don't give our elected officials credit where credit is due.

    Of all the complaints concerning President Trump it is amazing how very few are directed at his policy decisions. Instead they are directed at his character of which the ballot box serves as the panacea.

    What we know is prior to day 1 of President Trump's term we have had a congress and an administration that didn't want President Trump to win period. We also know the golden ticket was a given for Mrs. Clinton of which the DNC made sure she would be the presidential nominee. (so much for the ballot box with regards to the DNC and delegate votes) Keep in mind the RNC swallowed the fact though a bitter pill that the people chose Donald Trump as the nominee. Though some Republicans despised the fact they knew it was the right thing to do regardless if they supported Trump or not. After all it was the peoples choice.

    Since the election we had 2 years of a house and senate majority with Vice president Pence serving as a tie breaker. During that time several congressional representatives called for President Trump's impeachment before he even took office. The endless attacks on his character and false claims of colluding with Russians led to a special investigation that on the face of it employed illegal operations in the hopes of removing a legitimately elected President. In 2018 the house flipped and to that end everything spun out of control. Harassment of public officials was sanctioned and encouraged, harassment of everyday citizens who supported a duly elected President was encouraged, violence that should have been avoided with regards to opposing extremist were encouraged without regard to the safety of the general public. Yes anything and everything that could be done to derail this President and his administration has been done with one goal in mind. Remove President Trump from office. Why? We don't like him, we despise him, his character is unacceptable and President Trump wants to turn our country into a dictatorship with nationalistic tendencies. Claims of President Trump is a womanizer, he's racist, he's xenophobic, he's homophobic, he's a liar, he's a cheat, he's ignorant etc.. all of which have no bearing on his leadership or policies of a nation.

    Now we reach the final straw. The Senate has done their job with regards to articles of impeachment. All of the testimony and all of the arguments have been presented to the American public and the truth of the hearing in the house has been exposed for all to see. The innuendo, the denial of legal counsel on behalf of the President in said hearings, the lopsided witness depositions of those afforded legal counsel in the hearings all but assured the committee would come to the conclusion they so desperately sought.

    To date a special investigation that the house would not accept and an impeachment that was dubious to be kind has not yielded the desired result of a house and media hell bent on removing President Trump. If anything Mr. Shiff, Mr. Nadler and Mr. Schumer have been exposed to the public for the cretins they are and their obsession of animus and ill will toward a duly elected President.

    Falling short of convincing the Senate to go along to get along with howls of disdain concerning the iron grip of Mr. McConnell as if an iron grip did not hold themselves to a lost cause. The claim of the death of democracy and the rule of law ring hollow as these individuals skirted the rule of law at every turn yet they retain their seats in the house and senate. I need more time, I need more witnesses, I need more evidence, I need the senate to give me what the house refuses to do on their own. All passionate pleas for justice when justice was abused by themselves. The final verdict along party lines - stop your blubbering and go do your job.

    Is it over? No not by a long shot. The pit bulls will continue to shred and tear at the fabric that unifies a nation until they get what they want. They have put President Trump on notice since before he was elected and they will continue to do so even if President Trump gets re-elected. God forbid we have a house and a senate run by the democrats and a President Trump that will have to deal with them in 2020. Their motives and intentions are loud and clear. If we don't like you we reserve the right to remove you from office for anything we chose to accuse you of regardless of the facts.
     
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  20. AgingGator

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    Yeah, next we will hear about Trump paying hookers to pee on a bed. Oh wait, sorry we’ve already heard that one! Sorry to waist your time.
     
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