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Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by intimigator1, Jan 31, 2020.

  1. intimigator1

    intimigator1 GC Hall of Fame

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    and partisan politics has gone way to far now. Maybe America deserves what is happening as there are too many people that have no idea what they are talking about beyond "Trump is doing so much and I love him".

    The vote for impeachment and witnesses is a big problem now. In fact history will point to this as the downfall of our current system and guess what...its being done without a single bullet being fired! The very simple fact that no witnesses or evidence was heard makes this the new reality of the USA created by "team" play. No witnesses? No evidence? Why would anyone not want to have all the facts in front of them if not for just making their vote legitimate and the info public.

    What the Republicans have done is literally create and follow through with spitting in the face of EVERY American. They just spoke loudly that you knowing the facts is not owed to you. I want the facts! I want to HEAR witnesses being questioned! I want to know why Trump followers are so passionate, so deeply passionate, about Trump that they are willing to remove the safeguards just to keep him in power.

    I will suggest that I am 100 percent positive Trump is going to do bad things if reelected. But, you know what's worse? So will every other President! The limits to what is legal, what is ethical and what powers that a President enjoys is now at the discretion of who you support and not the law. Trump can and will abuse the system with a smile now. Guess "draining the swamp" isnt so funny anymore. The byproduct of blind following has its consequences. One would have thought people would have learned after GWB. Guess not.
    So, say goodbye to what you used to believe about how government works and say hello to less Congress and more President. It is now officially a beginning of the end of a system built to prevent one rule. Ignorance and blind following is just a recipe for disaster and the Republicans for whatever reason, chose the moment versus long term.
     
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  2. PerSeGator

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    We may have truly seen the last congressional investigation of the executive branch. Think about that.

    The standard operating procedure from now forward will be to categorically deny access to any witnesses or documents related to any executive branch activities.

    What's more, even if a house of Congress spends a year or two litigating the issue through the Courts, it's entirely plausible that the president simply simply declares that the Courts don't have the authority to compel a co-equal branch to respond to another branch's subpoena. If say President Biden did that, does anyone really think that Senate Democrats -- after this fight -- are going to vote to remove him from office?
     
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  3. reboundgtr

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    It’s all Trumps fault for the bad government we have. And it only takes one side to create division. Got it. All this from an ex pat that despises this country on a regular basis
     
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  4. gator_lawyer

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    I would hope so. If they didn't, I'd go out of my way to make sure every single one of them is primaried.
     
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  5. GatorFanCF

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    I thought the House had 17 witnesses. Did their testimony not see any light in the Senate?

    there were witnesses. There just were not MORE witnesses.
     
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  6. intimigator1

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    I am calling you out for your jerk off comment. The only part you got right was expat and Trumps fault.
    I and many others are sick and tired of the preschool style attacks such as what you just made. As we have seen for far too long is you offer nothing to a conversation. Not a thing but 5 year old playground skills.
    For the record...It is Trumps fault. For the record it is YOUR fault. Congratulations for supporting someone that could care less about you or your family and friends.
    As an expat that sees the good and bad without concern of your feelings may I suggest that your eyes find the bigger picture beccause your narrow vision is harming your ability to comprehend reality.
     
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  7. intimigator1

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    I dont care if there were 100 witnesses...the ones that matter were all forbidden to testify by the one accused! Like a murderer determining that the one that saw him pull the trigger is forbidden from being a witness by the murderer. Got it?
     
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  8. PITBOSS

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    Frequently when someone has to defend the low road, that’s what they have to do.
     
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  9. Trickster

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    That last sentence is unnecessarily harsh, but it proves the OP's point, which I think you missed. This isn't about our governmemt, which, despite serious problems, has never seen this level of dysfunction and chaos. The current division is almost entirely the result of the conduct of Trump and McConnell and their minions. The division represents true patriots fighting back and trying to restore order and integrity to government.

    I cannot over-emphasize that this is not about policy! Indeed, I think you will find that many of us who despise Trump do not disagree with every aspect of his agenda. No, this is about the man's lack of character, integrity and decency and how he has dishonored and cheapened the Office of the President, as well as the traditions and norms which have served this country well for nearly 250 years and made it the envy of the world.

    So, yes, the present state of affairs is almost entirely the fault of Trump and today's Republican party.
     
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  10. channingcrowderhungry

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    This is it right here. And why I quit paying attention to the whole charade months ago. Once it was apparent Republicans weren't actually interested in witnesses I knew the whole thing was a ruse. They should be ashamed. Who willingly turns down more knowledge on a subject? The GOP....
     
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  11. Trickster

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    No, there was an investigation because, unlike in the Clinton impeachment, the Attorney General refused to appoint a special prosecutor. Thus, the House Committees performed that function. Upon completion of same, they determined there was enough evidence to "indict" Trump. The Articles of Impeachment were that indictment and set forth two offenses.

    The matter then went to the Senate for a trial. The evidence at trial should have been the testimony and documents which formed the basis for the indictment as well as any testimony and documents the the House deemed necessary to prove its case. Of course, the Senate had the right to put forth any additional relevant witnesses and documents.

    I don't know why this is so difficult for Trump apologists to grasp. I don't understand how they can fail to see what a sham the "trial" has been and how profoundly this has negatively impacted American governance. The only explanation I can come up with is that the desire to stay in power is more important than the welfare of America.
     
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  12. Gator515151

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    17 witnesses all for the democrats 16 of whom had no first hand knowledge, the one who had first hand said no quid pro quo. The dems had a chance to call more but chose not to because of some dreamed up emergency situation that ended up waiting over a month by the democrats choice.

    I've got to stop here, I took an ambien about 20 minutes ago and am feeling a little loopy, if I keep on I'll be thinking like a democrat.
     
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  13. cluckugator

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    Dark day in our history and not going to get any better.

    Edit: Hope I am wrong on it getting better.
     
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  14. Gatorrick22

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    Yes, partisan hackery has gone too far. As soon at Trump announced he was running for POTUS the Leftists started the BS impeachment crap... This is all about sabotaging the next election (mid-term came to mind) and it always has been about sabotaging our elections.

    You know that's ALL on the crazy, out-of-control socialists Dems.
     
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  15. flgator2

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    You and your party need to get over it. The senate has finally put a dagger in this charade. Three years of the left slinging shit on the wall and nothing stuck.
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  16. LimeyGator

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    Things won't get any better any time soon - too many people are invested in division as a strategy for success including those in positions of influence, in governments and in the media.
    Until that's rejected thoroughly, it'll be more of the same. Sadly, most people surround themselves in the propaganda of the left and the right and soak it up without seeing how they are being used...
     
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  17. GatorFanCF

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    why do you need more witnesses when all we’ve heard is the evidence is damning and irrefutable?
    Someone just interest in RUTS...or, perhaps a case without merit?
     
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  18. intimigator1

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    What is my party? Be prepared to be as wrong as your devotion to Trump.
     
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  19. intimigator1

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    Let me set you straight. Trump has always been a "me first" guy that over inflates his abilities in a poor attempt in hiding his weaknesses. Most people DID NOT want his crap as President and most people were spot on as to the idiot he is now. He should not be leading this country due to who he is.
    You say people wanted him out when we never wanted him in. Please note the 2016 final vote tally.
    I find your support of him as a frightening reality of America in that you choose to create your own fantasy of Trump so as to ignore the in your face negatives. You have a serious problem.
     
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  20. citygator

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    Thank God this is almost over and the President can get back to the business of shaking down allies and tweeting.
     
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