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Are You Concerned that the CBO Says the Trump Bill Will Cause 11.8 Million to Lose Health Care?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator_jo, Jun 29, 2025 at 10:25 PM.

Are You Concerned that the CBO Says the Trump Bill Will Cause 11.8 Million to Lose Health Care?

  1. No

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  2. No, it is the price we must pay for such an awesome bill

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  3. Yes

    8 vote(s)
    21.1%
  4. Yes, it is shockingly counterproductive and inhumane

    21 vote(s)
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  1. FutureGatorMom

    FutureGatorMom Premium Member

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    Too many fraudulent claims from clinics and dr's practices. Why is that a forgotten tidbit.
     
  2. FutureGatorMom

    FutureGatorMom Premium Member

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    You aren't paying attention to your patients. Also, please define "most people". I went through cancer treatment in 2014. I saw the bills online and there is no way anyone could have afforded that, unless you're Elon Musk.
    Before you say it was the insurance company gouging, even if it were half of that price, and I had that wonderful $2,000 you want everyone to have, I couldn't have paid for it. People will spend that $2k on food and rent, just like you can't do away with SS and let people invest their own money. We have a lot to worry about in life, our medical care and how it will be paid for shouldn't be one of them.

    Other countries have it right, we are too caught up in so called capitalism.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    There is one thing for certain. We listen to our patients. I am confident in saying if you came to our office you would leave saying that it was a different experience than you have ever had at the dentist. And in a good way. There is a reason the first appointment is an hour and a half with no cleaning/perio/SRP treatment/etc). We get to know our patients first. It is integral in not only treating them but providing them the best care possible. As we get to personally know and understand our patients.

    And I am sure you saw some stupid billed out prices for your cancer treatments. That is a major problem in our quasi fascist medical system. Insurance is a major part of that problem by the way. Along with Corporate Providers (Big Hospital) and Big Pharma. My wife was quoted $7K-$8K for the anesthesia when she had foot surgery. Of course it was only going to be a few hundred dollars. And it is beyond stupid our system has gotten to this point. But we are not a capitalist system at all. It is much closer to fascist. Hence most doctors are employees to the big corporations. We agree on the idea that just throwing out stupid numbers to bill is a problem. But do not fall for the idea that you need the insurance company to negotiate for you. Granted insurance is for something like cancer. It is not for something like an elective foot surgery. Yet so many are trained...

    And you get so caught up on the $2k I propose instead of the fact that I would allow people to put more in tax free. And that I would allow people to pay for others treatment with their HSA. Just like I would allow for the HSA to be given to whomever upon ones passing. And if you are healthy....you will build a huge nest egg most likely. Of course there will be the situations where someone gets cancer or has a terrible accident. And that would be what a true insurance policy along with their HSA is for. Oh...and I would let people invest in mutual funds with their HSA as well like we do currently in ours. And again...I get it would take decades and some means testing to fully switch to. But we would then create a revenue neutral program that does good for society and puts the power back in the doctor and patients hand.
     
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  4. vaxcardinal

    vaxcardinal GC Hall of Fame

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    What is my stance on gun control? I don’t recall ever giving a position
     
  5. FutureGatorMom

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    Or just have universal health care where all those doctors that work for corporations will have a set $$$ amount they get paid for various services, whether you live in Florida or Alaska, it's all the same expense. Make it free to go to medical school so they don't have large student loans. I'm starting to see where there is privatization, there is greed and decisions based solely on profits.

    Yes, I can feel myself getting more and more progressive, something I never thought would happen. Thank you maga. Let the pendulum swing.
     
  6. QGator2414

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    LOL...No thank you on that kind of health care. I want the best to become doctors and be rewarded for doing so. I do not want average with wait times. Can we clean up the mess we have created? Absolutely. No need to go to the mess others have created.
     
  7. wgbgator

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    I don't want a doctor that doesn't have at least 2 yachts and a ski chalet in Aspen, that's how you know he's the best (he, because no chicks)
     
  8. tilly

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    Good for them, but you also will never aee the clients who cant come because they can't afford it, or have to prioritize other health issues over oral care.

    Most families cant afford a singular event like a sports injury. If imaging and surgery are required it could ruin a family.

    Heck, my wife had a terrible wrist injury a few years back. Between ambulance, ER, surgery, imaging and PT it would have cost us nearly 30k after it was all said and done. That would have been a pretty big blow to a normal middle class family like us. What does that have to do with "prioritizing their health coverage over other things in life"?

    All 3 of my kids have had dance/sports injuries during the past few years too. Ortho/imaging/PT/Follow up...Add that to my wife's injury.

    Health care costs are criminal. In our city, Novant Health has bought all 4 hospitals. (Monopoly?). No competition means insane cost.

    until our government grows a pair and actually a.) cares about peoples health, by forcing the fda to do their job...thus making us healthier and b ) creates laws to limit the gouging of our citizens by the heath care industry, the only solution is a "health care" system to make it where normal folks can afford it
     
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  9. tilly

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    So most people can afford a $50k event, or even a $10k event out of pocket?

    Seriously?

    Your perception is not reality.

    I mean yes, people could never leave the house and pad their home in bubble wrap and never lift anything, or walk, or play hoops. I mean i guess that is one solution.

    So if I had not been insured and my wife got hit with a $30k bill and then my kid got hurt soon after for say $4k, you think most people just have that lying around? And now you are living your life knowing the next event could ruin your family financially.

    That is where "most" people would fall with no insurance in todays hyper inflated cost environment.
     
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  10. l_boy

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    I’m curious as to how you would go about making these things happen - what do you think the FDA should do, and what specifically do you think should happen to the health care industry?
     
  11. l_boy

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    most of those not working are disabled or elderly.
     
  12. PITBOSS

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    What is a driver for moving to more progressive?
     
  13. FutureGatorMom

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    Everything I am hearing on the news and the direction this admin is trying to take us. They say things swing way in the other direction when this happens. I can see why.
     
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  14. dangolegators

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    Yeah and a $20 bill is just a piece of paper that has nothing to do with providing the things you buy with it.
     
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  15. mdgator05

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    Complains about greedy corporations providing medical care. Proceeds to talk about how we need greedy doctors providing medical care, just without those greedy corporations, or something.
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    This is why Maroon 5 is the best band ever, they went in music greedy enough to want to sell the most records
     
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  17. AzCatFan

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    In the $2K a year HSA plan, is everyone required to have catastrophic insurance? If not, it would never work. Because $2k a year is nowhere near enough to cover things like pediatric cancer, which can run over $500k. And insurance only works if and when people who never or are unlikely to need it pay into the system. If only a small percentage of people have the catastrophic insurance, the premiums for those paying would be catastrophic!

    But if you force everyone to pay, you are going to get the same complaints you already get today. Why should people who can't ever have children pay for the costs of someone to have twins, which on average, cost around $100k, because most twins aren't born at term and require a NICU stay for some time. And even if Mom and Dad are both 45, and never spent a dime of their HSA, if they have twins, they are still going to be short of being able to pay from their HSA unless they added a lot to it and/or invested well.

    This is why the rest of the industrialized world has universal government care. It forces everyone to pay regardless of their need.
     
  18. mdgator05

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    That is Nickelback erasure and I won't stand for it.
     
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  19. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Fair questions.

    FDA should ban poisonous foods like Europe does. The FDA should stop being so easily bought. (Monsanto for Instance)

    I think caps on cost for certain things are possible. I understand the dilemma with squashing innovation if you do that, so it may be tricky, but our government put men on the moon almost 60 years ago, I think we can make health care affordable.

    Maybe state schools can stop crushing young doctors with debt.

    Maybe public hospitals should have caps on cost.

    Maybe limit how many hospitals one conglomerate can own in one region. (Again, Novant health has bought every hospital in our region. At least the 5 in our 3 county area and I believe several in the neighboring counties.

    They should not be allowed to buy out all the competition.