Are You Concerned that the CBO Says the Trump Bill Will Cause 11.8 Million to Lose Health Care?

How many people are "able bodied" and on Medicaid without working?

 

Alaska is going to get paid.

 

Just facts. Insurance is a product that has nothing to do with providing care. It can get in the way for sure now. As it has negativity affected the doctor patient relationship for sure with the massive overreach by big hospital/big insurance/big pharma.

 

Nonsense. Most people can afford to pay for care. Now there are a lot of people that put lots of things in front of paying for their healthcare. And that is fine. People should be able to decide what is important to them.

Hence we need to get health insurance back to being insurance. Protection against catastrophic loss. Then let people decide what is important to them. But insurance companies do not want that. And they have trained people like you to believe they are the only way you can afford care. When that is total nonsense.

 

What…take Medicare and give every single person $2K a year in a HSA they can pass on to whomever they want and we would still have a few hundred billion left over for chronic diseases. Then allow people to buy true catastrophic coverage? Just crazy I know. Nothing like giving the power back to the patient and doctor.

 

Your poor bleeding heart is being controlled by the media lol…

No ones healthcare is going to be taken away.

 

Yep. That is what we all do. Work to make money. At the same time provide the best service and in our case care possible. Making our community better. Like all the other businesses (medical or not medical).

 

Or not…

“About 40 minutes from the time that Republican leaders told senators to take their seats in the chamber in anticipation of a final vote on Trump's megabill, Republican leaders like Senate Majority Leader John Thune and Senate Majority Whip John Barrasso are still not on the floor.

Neither are key holdouts including Sens. Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Ron Johnson, Rick Scott, Mike Lee or Cynthia Lummis.

Plus, Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough is still sitting behind the dais, feverishly shuffling through papers. There are about 10 staff members surrounding her, along with six or seven sheets of what is presumably the bill laid in front of her.

It appears to be a sort of live Byrd Bath, as key provisions still need to be ruled on -- all with the fate of Trump's megabill still on the line.”

Trump admin live updates: Megabill vote expected soon as Thune says he has the votes

They will likely get there, but this is literally everything republicans have complained about in budget bills for a decade. Christmas tree provisions that befit a handful at the expense of everyone else, buying off votes with silly provisions late in the process, 900 pages no one has read, minutes from the vote and they don’t even know what will be in it if it’s still being reviewed. Just silly.

 

No it is not. We have plenty of patients that choose to prioritize their health over other things in life. And do so without paying an insurance company for coverage.

 

Okay, then their mission is your mission, just as I said.

That is called selling. And, possibly positioning. But it still means that you have the same goal.

 

Don't people like you argue that giving students money in the form of student loans raised tuition costs and makes college more expensive? What is the argument that giving $2000 a year (a pitiful amount TBH for anyone that is going to need to pay for something) in a market system will lower healthcare costs?

 

That is what we do in life.

Maybe you are starting to understand?! As not sure the point of your rambling the obvious.

 

Most people are healthy. They will be able to build a massive nest egg. And true health insurance would not be that expensive. It would take a few decades to move to as the current broke system has a lot of people dependent on it.

But a sustainable system that puts the power back with the doctor and patient is what we should move towards.

 

I could be wrong on this but I do think both healthcare providers and insurers are incentivized by the same end game of increasing health care cost. If insurance is a margin business (which I assume it is) then the higher the overall cost the more revenue for same margin. I think this is one of the better arguments for national health care as the payer would no longer benefit from increase costs.

 

So when you said that your mission was different, you were just selling and not actually stating that you had different missions? Yes, I understand that.

 

You avoided the question. Every conservative claims "free money" or subsidies for things like college or healthcare increase demand and raise costs, so why is this magically not the case that handing someone $2000 a year wont cause them to spend it? And if you cant just take it out unless the government says ... how is the patient empowered? Sounds like the government is deciding what you can buy and when, if thats the case.

 

You have roughly 3 million adults just in Florida with only 46% working full time.

 

Insurance isn't really cost plus and has relatively limited degrees of competition. The market structure for insurance is interesting. Basically, at their best, they serve as a heartless bastard that can go into a negotiation with a provider and say "Sure, for that price, go ahead and kill my client" and have it be a credible threat. The goal of this tactic is to get the provider to lower the money that they take in. Then, that savings is, in theory, split between the insurance company, in the forms of lower payments, and the client, in the form of lower premiums. The problem is that insurance companies also need to do PR and act like this isn't their role (as this role is obviously going to be morally disgusting for most of their clients). That PR literally serves to harm their effectiveness.

And all of that is before we get into state regulations.

Who gets what is then a question layered on top of that. A lack of information benefits the insurance company. More information benefits the client.

I'm not really advocating for the system, as it has some pretty severe issues when you need a group to threaten to kill people, but that is essentially the system.

 

And what percentage of the remaining are "able bodied?" Also, what percentage of them are engaged in job training/education and working either part time or not working due to these demands? What percentage are either working part time or unable to work due to child care, elder care, or other caretaker needs?

 

The CBO, which exists to do this type of analysis, along with multiple other non-partisan groups says it will. On the other hand, you've continuously demonstrated a lack of critical thinking and analytical skills on this site. I think I'll trust the CBO over your assessment.