Are You Concerned that the CBO Says the Trump Bill Will Cause 11.8 Million to Lose Health Care?

I never once ranted about corporations making a profit. My issue with big hospital/big insurance/big pharma is the lobby power they have to minimize competition.

You are the one making BS up about greed. Well at least you own that you are greedy. Which yes. By you inserting “greed” into the conversation. It speaks about your judgement.

 

The only way to "shift power" to the patient is to not burden them with payment. If someone can save your life for money, and you dont have the money they want, you have no power or leverage. Even if you do have the money, you dont really have the leverage to negotiate because you want to live. The Dr already has all the power, this is why almost all of them in this country are right-wing cranks like you. They love their power and the wealth it has granted them, and they arent about to let go of that. And then they blame insurance companies for the price gouging they do. And the insurance companies blame the providers while they are laughing all the way to the same bank.

 

Lol! I don't have an issue with profit. I just have issues with their pursuit of profit. Good stuff!

But sure, they are trying to minimize competition. While you rant about how much you don't like your competition.

 

Totally agree on the middle man thing. They are the waste fraud and abuse of the insurance industry.

 

Nope. My idea is the government should get out of the way. Let the market determine what policies people want. I don’t want to pay Florida Blue to provide an annual exam. I can handle that just fine. I would prefer my premium be reduced. But they have lobbied and sold the public that it should be a required coverage. There should be no required coverages by the government.

 

Thanks for the font size! I didn't have to put on my computer glasses.

 

LOL!

What competition am I ranting about? And yes. I have an issue when government is used to minimize competition instead of competing on a level playing field.

I don’t view corporate dentistry as competition if that is where you are going. And we have very close relationships with quite a few independent offices that I suppose is “competition”. However I don’t see them as competition. Corporate dentistry is a completely different business model. One that I have no desire to be involved with.

 

So ultimately you favor a system of if you have the money, you should buy all the care you want, even stuff you dont think should be covered by "real insurance" while the people that dont have money take huge risks and either dont buy coverage, or buy "catastrophic" policies which leave them holding the bag on health maintenance and preventative care, and probably exclude lots of things that are pricey, like pregnancy, preexisting conditions, and anything they can come up with in a deregulatory scheme. And no Medicare if government is out of the way means old people, the people who will be consuming the most care, will either pay astronomic prices or be forced into debt servitude of some kind, at an age when they are less likely to be able to work to pay said debt, potentially burdening their children and grandchildren with costs. I dont see how that transfers power to the patient, but I definitely see how it gives you more power! You can force people into debt peonage ... that's real power baby!

 

Insurance companies are a problem. If done right they provide a great product. Unfortunately that is not the case all the time.

 

Groups that you label as "corporations."

Yeah, that is just your sales pitch against your competition. And a bit of a rant against them, honestly.

 

It is a universal fact - when a government subsidizes, guarantees, funds, etc. any program or industry, costs will rise along with inefficiency. One side promotes the answer as MORE governmental spending/control. The other side is deemed heartless for any effort to curtail out of control spending/inefficiency/waste by separating government control over the industry.

 

I do not know why anyone would want to an insurance company to cover nominal procedures. But there are certainly people out there that do. And that product would still be available. And those people will likely spend far more on health care than the person that buys a catastrophic policy.

 

Thanks for acknowledging you made up BS about me ranting just like you made up the “greed” BS…

 

I bet even you don't believe that....good luck on convincing yourself of any of that. But sure, you don't compete against your competitors.

 

Well I assume your version of "patient empowerment" is people being able to choose what they want covered, so if you have the money, you would probably want everything covered. Health insurance is a great deal for very rich people for the most part.

 

Because the only goal is profit. Why find a cure for cancer? They would rather we die and get off their books. It's more profitable to have young healthy people pay for insurance, because they most likely aren't going to use it.

 

This argument would hold more weight if the bill was projected to reduce the deficit

 

Undocumented should never have Medicaid. Period. People in states that do offer it should sue their states for fraud. If I were a lawyer, I'd be looking at a class action lawsuit against every state. Think about this too - states that get federal dollars for Medicaid get paid by all taxpayers, not just those in that state. Are you guys from Florida happy that your tax dollars are going to California to pay undocumented immigrants Medicaid while you are barely able to meet your own bills?

 

I definitely dont want my tax dollars going to sue states out of animus and racism for giving people healthcare coverage. That's disgusting. Like the promise of Nativist populism is that if you kick people out you get more stuff, but the Republicans are passing a budget to give people less stuff lol. (And stick them with massive debt to transfer more wealth to the wealthiest Americans)

 

Capitalists will always present public goods like housing, education, healthcare as zero-sum things and use their media to get you to fight over the scraps with your neighbor, while the rich get more money from the government they bought.