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An Argument Four 3rd and Grantham

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by ArtDeco, Dec 8, 2019.

  1. fda92045

    fda92045 All American

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    I'm also not on the fire TG train. Just pointing out a consistency, and think it is fair for some to be concerned whether TG can run a championship level defense.
     
  2. steveGator52

    steveGator52 GC Legend

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    Never said he was the only issue or the Antichrist, but as the leader, all the defensive issues fall at his feet. The same way the offensive coordinator got faulted for the Muschamp offensive issues. And I don’t think Mullen micromanages the defense like Muschamp micromanaged the offense. The DC gets the glory and the big bucks, as well as the criticism.

    His scheme seems to play into the hands of UGA and any offense with good qb play. If the defense doesn’t get pressure, the secondary has issues covering. That may be true for most defenses, but it seems most defenses don’t give up 12 out of 18 3rd down conversions against UGA. Out of the 9 meaningful series in the LSU game, we only put LSU in 3rd down 4 times, and got them off the field without points only on 3 of those series, with one being a missed fg.

    This isn’t quite like 2007 where the UF defense was rebuilding after winning the NC. There was supposed to be plenty of talent in the secondary, enough so that it shouldn’t have looked as bad as it did this year.
     
  3. steveGator52

    steveGator52 GC Legend

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    I just looked at the LSU box score. LSU had the ball for 21 minutes. In those 21 minutes, they had 9 meaningful series (i.e. not a kneel down situation). Of those 9 series, we put them in a third down situation exactly 4 times. We forced them to punt 2 times, and they missed one field goal. So out of 9 series, they scored touchdowns on 6 series, with the defense getting them to 3rd down only 4 times all game. We only forced 2 punts all game. They scored a touchdown or had a field goal opportunity on 7 out of 9 possessions. We stopped them twice, they stopped themselves once.

    You can’t tell me Texas, Vanderbilt, and some of the other teams LSU faced have better personnel than we do. Texas held LSU to converting 6 out of 12 3rd downs with 3 field goals. Vanderbilt held LSU to converting 7 out of 15 3rd downs with one 4th down conversion, with one field goal. So both those teams played LSU better on defense than we did, and you can’t say they have more talent than UF does.
     
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  4. Skink

    Skink GC Hall of Fame

    Considering we were missing both starting DEs, their 2-deep there plus at Safety may well be more talented than our roster at that point in the season. Our experience in many positions is damn thin, and we're filling holes, and young players are learning on the job. Too early to hang this all on Grantham.
     
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  5. Matthanuf06

    Matthanuf06 GC Hall of Fame

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    TDs per drive is also relevant.

    Again find a game that was worse.

    Scoreboard is flawed because a lot more goes into that than simply defensive performance. For example offensive performance (we kept the ball away from LSU), special teams scores (and screw ups), and short fields.
     
  6. Matthanuf06

    Matthanuf06 GC Hall of Fame

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    Again find a game that was worse. You are clouded by your age, old man yelling at cloud syndrome.

    The data that analyzes real defensive performance says that this is one of the worst if not the worst.

    If you don’t think efficiency stats, things like YPP and TD/drive aren’t relevant...then you don’t know football. You are the type that assigns a penalty to the D for things like pick 6s. You probably think teams should run on first and second down.
     
  7. Matthanuf06

    Matthanuf06 GC Hall of Fame

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    Look at the data. There is no legitimate metric that says our D vs LSU played better than our D vs Nebraska.
     
  8. Matthanuf06

    Matthanuf06 GC Hall of Fame

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    100% on point. And if you looked at their other games you’d see the same pattern. What LSU did to us was on a totally different level than what they did to Texas, Vandy, Bama, UGA, Auburn, TAMU, Ole Miss, and MSU. Those teams played D at a significantly better clip than we did
     
  9. gator_annarbor

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    Well said. This is what I have been saying for weeks. From every angle it was a poor performance on D and cannot be explained away by injuries or talent differential alone.
     
  10. gator_annarbor

    gator_annarbor Sophomore

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    Addition numbers from ESPN
     
  11. Skink

    Skink GC Hall of Fame

    You are pushing a ridiculously wrong argument claiming our close loss to #1 LSU, in Death Valley, at night, without our 2 starting DEs, was our worst defensive game in the history of our program. That is beyond laughable and screams how little you know about the long history of UF football.

    We’ve lost to Ga in Jax 52-0
    We gave up 28 unanswered points in the 4th quarter in Tallahassee to ref$u.
    Many examples over an 80 + year history in the SEC.
     
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