Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by RayGator, May 14, 2018.
Israel is not kicking Arabs out of their homes. Except terrorists after acts of terror.
There was no protest when Guatemala moved its embassy to Jerusalem. They alredy did.
These religious fanatics aren't protesting, they're rioting. That's what you do to thousand of rioting fanatics, you shoot them. What's the alternative? Surrender? At least the Israeli solders were kind enough to shoot many of these barbarians in the leg.
Except there wasn't a massive percentage of people who were kicked out of their homes...most Palestinians voluntarily left in 1947/1948. This was for a variety of reasons: desire not to live under Jewish rule; Arab govts were encouraging the Palestinians to leave so they could invade and overrun the Jews without fear of getting other Arabs killed; fears--not without some justification--of violence from extremist Zionist groups, etc.
There certainly wasn't a widespread or organized campaign to expel Arabs (like there was in other ME countries that expelled Jews, for instance); so implying that there was changes the historical reality of the situation.
As for the settlements, they aren't "illegal" since the Palestinians have expressly rejected EVERY attempt to formalize statehood for the West Bank and Gaza strip. The nation-state that presently occupies the territory is Israel and while it's fair to question how seriously they're dedicated to a two state solution when they unofficially tolerate new settlements...here too, the issue is understandable frustration that the Palestinians have rejected EVERY attempt at peace that has been put before them. At a certain point, who could blame them for getting fed up and questioning how seriously the *Palestinians* want a two state solution.
The borders are armistice lines from 1967. Armistice lines are subject to negotiation. Jordan has abandoned the lands on the now Israel side of the border, so there is no one to negotiate with.
Israel accepted thousands of Jordanian Palestinians when King Hussein expelled or was killing them. They fled across the border into Israel. Israel has regularly treated Syrians wounded in the civil war there.
I was responding to Ben's point about the pre-Mandate before Independence.
Either way, it's a bit hard to claim it's illegal under intl law since no sovereign entity had prior claim after the British renounced their mandate. The Jordanians would have seen their claims end the moment the Israelis defeated them in the 67 war.
Understood. Nobody ever mentions the Arab massacres of Jews in 1929.
...or the thousands of Jews who were forcibly expelled from Arab countries when Israel announced their independence...
places where Jews had lived for more than 2000 years...
Interesting comments on the situation …. and video of Israel officer concerning the issues at the border.
Hamas Leader Breaks Media Narrative, Admits 'Protesters' Killed Along Gaza Strip Were Actually Terrorists
And yet yesterday's Orlando Sentinel headline predictably read "Israel Faces Criticism Amid Gaza Bloodshed".