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Afganistan / What Now?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Gatorhead, Aug 12, 2021.

  1. slayerxing

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    i agree with most of this - but we just can’t keep military forces in every country that “might” attack us someday. It’s not sustainable. We have work to do in this side of the world. The Western Hemisphere is a fricken mess. We need to spend more time and energy stabilizing our own neighborhood for a while. Can’t ignore that part of the world but it’s long past time to come home.
     
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  2. gatorchamps960608

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    Some of you "Biden bad" people were all starry eyed about Trump saying pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and no more foreign wars.

    Get a grip.
     
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  3. slayerxing

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    It's dizzying how fast that narrative changed lol.

    Here is an interesting article from the Hill talking about how the media is pushing a narrative that doesn't line up well with what the rest of the country wants.

    Beltway reporting of Afghanistan withdrawal a disservice to Americans

    It is kinda gross how the media is making this all about political points. FoxNews and conservatives are literally orgasming about it. But the "MSM" isn't really handling it much better.

    This was never gonna end happy fellas - but don't let that convince you that staying forever was the better answer. At some point Afghanistan had to pick their own destiny and if that destiny just happens to be harboring terrorists and attacking the US again in 2 decades, then I guess that generation can choose a response that best picks the situation - and let's just hope they've learned from this and don't start another 20 year nation building war.
     
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  4. GrandPrixGator

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    Not having read anything past the OP, this was ALWAYS going to happen the day we decided to occupy that country, eventually when we left. Everyone is an expert but I suspect there is no "good way" to leave. I'm glad a a president finally figured that out or had the cajones to rip the bandaid off. Just keep using drones to persecute training camps, which is pretty much what we should have done in 2001.
     
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  5. murphree_hall

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    Not the same situation, but we still have U.S. bases in Germany, Italy and Japan post WWII. In contemporary history, we don’t pull out of a country quickly after major combat operations. The will of the American people to stay in Afghanistan is low, however, and once you lose that, the politicians follow that lead. I can see arguments for both sides. Maybe we have should stayed... maybe we should leave. Hard to say what the right answer is. Time will tell.
     
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  6. duchen

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    WAPO is reporting that the Taliban paid the soldiers in the Afghan army to go away and they did. Which is how this happened so quickly. So, our only option was to occupy Afghanistan forever. Or leave them to choose their own destiny.
     
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  7. duchen

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    And what kind of government would both countries have if we left? Same. Our strategic interests in Japan and Germany are to help against external threats. And Japan has an entirely different view of having its own army
     
  8. swampspring

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    Looks like the president of Afghanistan , Ghani, has also fled. The taliban plan to announce the new Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. Those with means have already fled the country. Those from rural areas who fled to the safety of Kabul are now stuck. This is extremely sad.
     
  9. HallGator

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    We should never have allowed all of those Afghan terrorists to learn how to fly planes so they could destroy the World Trade Towers. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. murphree_hall

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    The way you asked me that question gives the impression that you think we are in opposition.
     
  11. AlfaGator

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    The level of mismanagement is astonishing. With no military background, I could have told you to 1) Ship all military equipment home, 2) Establish a plan to get US civilians & embassy members out in advance & 3) Offer asylum to all of the natives who assisted us during that time.
     
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  12. duchen

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    No. Just making a point rhetorically.
     
  13. tegator80

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    Sort of like the Treaty of Versailles. What harm could possibly occur if we decide to stop fighting and learn to just get along?


    But as history is a bitch, it seems to be the only action that people can agree, which obviously isn't a good one.
     
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  14. g8rjd

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    There actually is a direct through line between Al Queda and Afghanistan. Bin Laden was Saudi and from a wealthy building family that had many royal contracts. He radicalized when he went to Afghanistan to fight against the Soviet Union. When he returned home, and Iraq was on the verge of invading Saudi Arabia, he told the royals not to call us (the Americans) to invoke our defense for cheap oil end of the deal, and told them that they would beat back Saddam just like they did the Soviets.

    The Saudi royal family disagreed, since they felt they paid for us to defend them. So we went there, liberated Kuwait, beat back Saddam…and then we stayed. To Bin Laden, we were occupying Arab holy land and Saudi Arabia had traded one occupier (the Soviets) for another (us).

    And that was the primary reason he targeted us…ultimately on 9/11.
     
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  15. Gatorrick22

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    And the clowns in the Left-wing media are all blaming Trump for Biden crapping the bed...
     
  16. citygator

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    You’re not watching then. CNN and msnbc are being very critical. You see Jake Tappers interview this AM?
     
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  17. Gatorrick22

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  18. citygator

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    People don’t vote on foreign policy. No one cares if Afghanistan fails. Soldiers home wins. It’s another losing flip flop for the right wing.

    Having said that Biden set up false expectations. He should have outlined best to worst case scenarios and say he was prepared for both.
     
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  19. tarponbro

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    Was Bin Laden ever wanted by the FBI for any crimes associated with 9/11? He wasn't when I looked him up in fbi.gov, only for the attack in Kenya.
     
  20. dadx4

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    You do know that Iran borders Afghanistan right?
     
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