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Adjustments that will lead to SECT and NCAAT success

Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by Matthanuf06, Feb 22, 2020.

  1. murphree_hall

    murphree_hall All American

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    Lost by a only few points on the road to a much higher rated Kentucky team, and you think White is terrible.

    If our players hit their shots, we'd be undefeated. That said, we have a personnel issue. We don't have anybody who can push the ball. A coach can teach that, but it takes time to get it to show on the court. If Appleby plays the same next year, I might start to believe you, but I think that the current players are not the kind who have the confidence to attack.

    Our players need to watch film of the Pelicans' players. Lonzo is always pushing the ball up the floor, and if Zion gets a rebound, he's immediately dribbling to lead the break. He doesn't look backwards for the point guard. Brandon Ingram, too. Anyone on that team can lead a fast break. We have not one player who can do that.
     
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  2. 33hoop

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    Totally disagree. Nembhard is not fast but he can play a lot faster than how he is currently playing. Mann and Glover both are fast and would easily fit in an uptempo offense. To say we don’t have the players to speed up our style of play is not true at all. Besides, we have even seen Nembhard speed it up during crunch time at the end of a game when we are down.
     
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  3. murphree_hall

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    It's not in Nembhard's basketball DNA to play fast. Fast for Nembhard is still slow. Mann and Glover have shown very little ability or desire to play uptempo. Maybe they can, but they also need the rest of the team to run with them down the court. Our guys are lackadaisical in that respect. I'd concede putting that on Coach White's shoulders.
     
  4. regurgigator

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    I think it was UK's 2nd half adjustments (which weren't rocket science). They played further off KJ to limit those straight line drives he was getting, and dared him to shoot from outside. He missed a couple of outside shots, and then tried to force the drives. It didn't work.

    But, KJ is improving by leaps and bounds in understanding his ability to score through mostly the drives to the hoop coupled with pretty good outside shooting. He used to puzzle me frequently with the good outside shots he'd turn down, and instead he'd drive and try to pass with too many resulting turnovers.

    I think if KJ had kept taking the open outside shots UK was giving him, it would have worked out better against UK, but he's definitely learning to utilize his scoring ability (and I think he's understanding - probably with help from White I'm sure - just how good he is so that he should look for his own offense aggressively).

    Another reason for optimism: Our two best 3-point shooters (Locke and KJ) going 0 of 9 from behind the arc shouldn't happen very often! And, yet we played UK at their house very close!
     
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  5. tilly

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    I dont agree that we need a bew coach...yet.

    But I also dont think he needs to get a new team.

    He is frustrated because he cares about this team.
     
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  6. Matthanuf06

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    They had extra emphasis on Locke in the 1st half, so his struggles are explainable. That focus is what got KJ space.

    AN struggles against athletic teams. This is the norm
     
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    This is why the whole premise that “it’s not the coaches, players have to make shots” is bogus

    Not all shots are the same. Coaching can lead to better looks and more efficient looks. For example we take a ton of long 2s. We take a lot of contested shots late in the shot clock.
     
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  8. BA69MA72

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    More for efawcett. What percentage? How does it compare with SEC?
     
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  9. 407king

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    I think the longer 2 may be one of AN's better shots. He's seemed to be making those with more regularity, especially off the bounce than he does the 3.
     
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  10. regurgigator

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    Subjective perceptions are often not supported by objective facts/stats.

    One has to wonder how we can do so many things wrong yet have a KenPom offensive efficiency rating in the Top 30 in the nation.
     
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  11. murphree_hall

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    It's not bogus to say that players need to make shots, especially when they miss good shots. I agree that they get some bad shots late in the clock every game. I attribute that to lack of attacking the basket and passing around the perimeter too much. Also, no attempt to play transition basketball which leads to 10 seconds walking the ball up the court before you even start your offensive set.

    I would be more critical of White if I saw any guards on our team capable of what we need to play faster, but as it stands, Nembhard is slow and methodical, Locke is one-dimensional, Lewis is raw, Glover suffers from shot selection issues, and Mann is learning how to play. There's no fast playing Lonzo Ball on this team that is being held back by White's pace. Maybe Appleby will fix this all next year.

    I think we have good players who ended up being different in reality compared to what they were recruited as. For example, we recruited Lewis as Bradley Beal Part II. He ended up being a defensive specialist who struggled on offense this year. Nobody expected that change in scope.
     
  12. swampgas44

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    They scored more points than us.
     
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  13. tampajack1

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    The Glover shot selection issue truly is bogus. I am pretty sure that he shoots less times on a 40 minute basis than Nembhard, and his 2-point percentage is over 50%. Yes, he has shot his 3s poorly, but so has Nembhard and Mann, plus Glover does not force his jump shots. He is missing open shots. I will post some comparative stats when I have the chance. But, if you look at the Kentucky game, we went 9 minutes or so in the middle of the 2nd half with scoring only 4 points. We should have put Glover in at the point at some point during that drought.
     
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    MW switched to a zone for one play out of a timeout and UK was not prepared for it and had a bad possession. Next time down he went back to man to man which I thought was a good move. More creative coaching with defense and offense is needed as we are too predictable on both ends.
     
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    From the play by play breakdown on Gatorzone it shows Ques checking in around the 11 minute mark and checking out with a little less than 5 minutes left in the game.

    I think it was smart to move him off the ball to be honest. UK's length would've given him serious problems at the point, especially since they had a bigger guard on him like Maxey.
     
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    From the 17 minute mark to the 8 minute mark, the Gators scored 4 points. Nembhard appears to have been at the point the entire time. I am not seeing any plays on offense that Glover was involved in. We couldn’t have done worse with Glover at the point. Glover’s quickness might have made up for his size, but who knows. I am a huge believer that if you have talented players on the bench, you play them. Nembhard was not creating anything on offense. Why not go to a different option? As an aside, Glover looked like our best defensive guard against UK.
     
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    Glover quickness isn't beating All-SEC caliber guards off the bounce, especially in the half court. It hasn't all year. Didn't vs Auburn, didn't vs LSU, probably wasn't going to vs UK.

    I'm all for trying different things but against those other teams with bigger guards he had 2 assists and 4 turnovers. We'd be killing CMW if he played Ques at PG and he went in and struggled like he has at times against similar competition.
     
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  18. murphree_hall

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    I didn’t look at stats, but there were several times this season that I was wondering why he chose to shoot a particular shot at a particular time. I don’t know how stats would be able to prove or disprove it, as it is a subjective metric. I personally don’t think it’s bogus, but it’s really a matter of opinion.
     
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    He has been beating the guys defending him on a regular basis the entire season, although he has been inconsistent on finishing the play once he gets inside. A bunch of his turnovers have been from carries or slips. I’m not saying that Glover is the answer to our problems, but Nembhard is not the answer for us either, even though he might be our best guard. He has way to many periods of time when he is killing us out there, and then he does some great things for us. It’s the inconsistency that hurts us in the games that we lose or play poorly. I can’t blame just Nembhard, but he has been a major contributor to our weirdly disappointing season.
     
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    If Glover has had problem finishing this season, how would he have fared against the top FG% defense in the conference?

    AN has up and down games because he's still a sophomore. Isn't that expected from him? Or are we expecting Sophomore PGs to be consistent every game in conference?

    Kira Lewis has had the same problem too. He shot 7 for 25 vs UF. Also had 4/13, 3/13, 3/9 and 4/11 shooting games. Sophomore guards have up and down performances.

    Javonte Smart says hey. 3/14, 3/10, 3/11, 4/11, 4/14, 2/13 and 1/9. Some of his shooting numbers from this year. He's a sophomore too.

    I think the 3 most consistent guards in the SeC this year have been Tyree, McCormick and Mays. Not going to tell you their classification. I think you can figure it out.
     
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