And kudos to the Guardian, for providing its refreshing and unique objectivity. “Kamala Harris has criticised Elon Musk, noted “it’s important that we remember the 1930s” and raised concerns about AI when speaking to an audience of 4,500 real estate agents at an industry conference on the Gold Coast.” This appears to be a not-so-veiled reference to Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany by Ms. Harris. I have heard some dastardly things come from the Democrats about President Trump and Elon Musk, but this is on a new level. Never before have the Democrats invoked Hitler and Nazi Germany when discussing MAGA. How will the Trump and Musk loyalists contend with this new, bold and daring allegation by former VP Harris?? Circle the wagons!! I’m sure even Grok was caught completely flat-footed by the astute analogy. Kamala Harris takes swipe at Musk and warns world to ‘remember the 1930s’ at Gold Coast real estate conference
Yes, my preference instead of Donald "Eat My Tariffs" Trump as president would be the local dogcatcher. Or the guy who jumps off the truck to collect my garbage twice a week. Or in a word, anybody, just so he or she is a halfway decent human being.
So are we allowed to start OPs and post responses about Hitler and political parties now? I would like a ruling because there is plenty I have to say in this thread about the topic.
OklahomaGator has clarified that we can discuss historical references to the Nazis but not call a poster or a politician a Nazi. That's apparently what the OP was discussing although it appeared Harris was referencing the "nationalism" of the 1930s.
Rather than someone like Harris we prefer a moron (as characterized by Trump's own first Secretary of State) who, for example, wears a MAGA hat to address West Point cadets, to whom he rambles about "trophy wives."
gee why would someone think musk has any interest in nazism. Has he ever done anything, remotely related to them?
If Harris is comparing Trump and his supporters to the Nazis, she’d hardly be the first. Though as ET points out, she is just as likely referring to nationalism and isolationism. And then there’s this; Tariffs helped wreck the economy in the 1930s. Why is Trump making the same mistake?
nobody said it would be easy, but the choice is to figure out how to make this work or lose too hot imnsho
Harris is wrong and right. The "nationalism" or more accurate the "Fascism" of the 1930's is a similar breed of fascism that Trump is implementing using a different distribution method. This modern Fascist Movement is far more than just a nationalism "my country is cool" movement and greatly differs from the 1930's version. Modern Fascism is a revolutionary idea that demands the total transformation of our political system. Fascism is about constructing a selective myth of the nation that the fascist administration is trying to violently renew/rebirth/rebuild. It is a myth that is based on exclusion and inclusion. Its about marginalizing, deporting, disappearing, arresting, and out-casting certain social groups that are considered undesirable. “The longing for total renewal continues to shape postwar fascism, but, now its populist base has collapsed, many forms of it have been forced to pursue a hidden agenda, deliberately concealing the illiberal, totalising or violent implications of achieving their ultimate goal. This is done in order for fascist extremism to be accommodated in an age in which revolutionary nationalism is still overwhelmingly discredited by association with the horrors of the second world war." - Roger Griffin (2018) Fascism historian. The means of implementing fascism in the 1930's was slightly different from Trump's Fascist movement. Similarities still abound, the 1930's fascism rewarded the ingroups handsomely stealing Jewish businesses for instance (today's version is the billionaires syphoning off money from the people). Also similarly still, fascism in the 1930's and now can be characterized by mass deportations, mass incarcerations without trials, family separation of children, expulsion from the military, pardoning of crimes from in-groups, The difference is that totalitarian governments don't work in modern times but authoritarianism does. For instance authoritarian governments don't ban protests (shit, you can protest in China and they do which influences the government) but you kill Palestinian protesting by disappearing enough protesters to make it not worth the risk to protest. You don't ban what people can say, but you limit their ability to get government grants and accept foreign students if they don't bend to your will (DEI?). Exclusion of voice occurs with gerrymandering and voter roll purges and intimidation and misinformation. Fascism is alive and spreading in the U.S. just like it did in the 1930's Germany with a different breed based on authoritarian not totalitarian. Righties think that is some distinction that separates the eras. It doesnt.
Nazism is literally shorthand for nationalism, so you have to try really hard not to link it with her comments. Oh, and you’d have to forget the 1,000+ other times before when Harris and Dems have linked MAGA and nazism. Perhaps my OP should have been in a green font due to the apparent collective density of the forum.
