Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by aus10g8r, Feb 29, 2020.
Guess you didn’t see Wes
Brandon James must surely hold the SEC and NCAA records for return TD’s called back due to very questionable penalties.
Debose was very good, but more of a kick returner rather than put. He had only 34 total punt returns and one touchdown. He returned kicks as well as anyone if not better, with four TDs. Unfortunately for Debose, he played during a time period when we weren't very good. Quez Green and Brandon James were part of Championship teams.
I've got nothing against Debose, or obviously James, but saying those are the two greatest in UF history without putting a few others in there is a fairly narrow historical perspective. I'm sure there were several players before the 1970s who likely deserve to be in the conversation. But in the modern era, you can't omit Quez Green and Wes Chandler from a discussion in regard to who is the best UF return specialist.
Brandon James I think will always stand out because he was most of all a specialist. He was a workhorse back there it was his main job and he was dedicated to it. Green and Chander were primarily receivers. Same is true for Percy Harvin -- he was unbelievable wherever you put him.
Who would you pick to return a punt if the game was on the line and you had one shot -- let's say you are able to catch a punt in your own territory and will have at best one play? In my mind, I would be picking between James and Harvin.
I saw Wes do his thing back in the day. He was better than we have had in many years
Hail Wes Chandler!!!
Green was no slouch, but it's levels. Like I said Debose & B James are & were the best return men in UF history, & it's not close. I posted the all-time stats. So whoever argues is just arguing with themselves at this point. Green was only tied with James, because James had so many called back. They shouldn’t even be in the same conversation tbh. Debose & James were a legit threat, every time the ball got kicked in the air. & James should at least have 8-9 career tuddies.
Yup. James should at least have 8-9 career tuddies. No disrespect to anybody in UF history, but this convo wouldn't even exist right now. That's the only reason him & Green are tied.
As other have said Fenley was brought in as the returner, ala Brandon James. He'll have another position either CB (his preference) or WR (I think he'd be an effective slot WR)...but his focus will be returns.
Don't get your hopes up for a Brandon James level impact. The game has changed to de-emphasize the return games; protecting players from injury, but not giving players many chances to make an amazing play.
Its difficult for me to say one guy is better than another without taking into account schemes and blocking.
I remember Debose could have had a few more but was called back also.
I just remember you wanted to be paying attention when Brandon James went back to receive a punt. I think he was one of Urban’s very few 2-star recruits and Matty had to convince Urban to take him (seems like he had a half-brother or cousin Urban wanted?).
James almost single handily got Fulmer fired.
UT's willingness to continuously punt to him was just flabbergasting.
Percy might have been the best kick returner in UF history. We just never needed him because Brandon James was on the same roster and Harvin had such a big role in the offense.
Percy went to the big boy league to finally show off those skills.
Yup. Percy was nasty at kick return. Took 5 to pay dirt. & took one back 105 yards vs Detroit. He definitely would have the record at UF. WK4 Can't-Miss Play: Harvin 105-yd kick return TD
Well... Florida did lose a generational WR/RB from 06-08 that left a huge void of touches to fill...
It's just so effortless. Every single one of his highlights. He's outrunning people and he doesn't even look like he's putting all his juice in it.
Percy would’ve been unstoppable at return but luckily in those days we had James and talent everywhere... So these days the talent isn’t as plentiful, not that we haven’t had the guys, but elite playmakers have been needed on offense and defense, therefore we have had to keep them healthy. I really believe Dan is building it back to where we can have a designated guy that loves being a Gator and takes pride in being THAT GUY that takes the return role and makes it a weapon!
I remember hearing that kickoff returns had a tendency to trigger Percy's migraines. Looking up into a sunny sky apparently brought them on at times.
Saw Quez, James and Dubose. Did Nattiel used to return kicks back in day?
of all of them...Brandon James def made you get on edge of seat. The way he just quickly made people miss and got upfield was amazing
the one against Tenn in Swamp blue out in 07 was my favorite
Good. Then it is settled. Quezvin DuBran was the best.
You are arguing James and Debose are the best and nobody else is in the conversation, suggesting James would have had 8-9 TDs if not for penalties where they were called back.
As to punt returns, you do realize that James had about twice as many returns as Quez Green, right? So they both had 4 punt return TDs, James in over 120 punt returns and Quez Green with 60 something punt returns. I don't have a Ph.D. in math, but my rudimentary skills are suggesting you have to give James credit for all those called back just to get him to match Green's return rate.
Don't get me wrong, I love Brandon James -- he was awesome. Would love to have another guy like him. As a specialist, we got to see him more of him on punt and kick returns than a guy like Percy or Quez Green and it was exciting. But the facts suggest there are in fact several players in the modern era who must be in the conversation. I say those players include James, Debose (but more of a kick return specialist), Green, Chandler, and of course maybe the best of all -- Percy Harvin (not used as much because he was so important as a RB and receiver and wildcat QB). There are arguments for each of these guys.