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A history lesson for those of you suddenly sour on Dan.

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by tilly, Jan 4, 2021.

  1. GameTime1

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    I'm not sure if the terry/Danny comparison is quite valid, simply because of the age difference. I believe Danny was pretty young when he was splitting time, and back then young QBs playing early wasn't the norm.. it was a while ago so who knows.
    I do think its odd that Mullen couldn't see the mental difference between trask/franks from day one and realize its worth.
     
  2. thale410

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    ......but that doesn't satisfy the bloodlust of having a head full of the feelz.

    And isn't that really what's important?
     
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  3. Claygator

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    Evidently.
     
  4. g8orbill

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    Not correct

    Cam left before the season was over- he was not on the roster for the SECCG or the NC game against okie- Tebow announced he was coming back after the NC game
     
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  5. Claygator

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    Yes. Cam was in academic trouble and had "computer" problems. His fate was sealed long before the SEC and national title games.
     
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  6. TrueGator

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    Plus, I don't believe it was Cam's decision to leave...
     
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  7. g8orbill

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    My understanding is he left because he was told he had to go before the student code of conduct board for cheating twice and he knew he would be booted and could not afford for that to be on his record
     
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  8. TrueGator

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    That's pretty close to the story I've heard circulated. Can't personally confirm or deny that, though.
     
  9. SewaneeGator

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    In the beginning of 1993, we needed to fill the gap left by the graduation of 3 time All SEC QB Shane Matthews. Terry was a redshirt junior who had played sparingly behind Shane. Danny was a redshirt freshman who had yet to play but was expected to be the future at some point. Redshirt freshman QBs weren't that uncommon in the early/mid 90s. But like most positions, the assumption was that experience mattered--time in the system and time on the field. Two years later, Terry was gone, Danny was the record setting starter and finished third in the Heisman. He'd win it the next year.

    In the beginning of 2018, a new coach know for developing dual threat QBs inherits two QBs: a redshirt sophomore who is a streaky and inconsistent passer but is a very good runner, has all the physical tools, and played through the ups and downs of a full SEC season the year before, and another redshirt sophomore, a more pure passer who because of injury the year before, had yet to take a college snap. Two years later, Feleipe was gone, Kyle was the record setting starter and finished fourth in the Heisman.

    They are obviously not identical and there are plenty of differences and nuances to parse. But the point wasn't to say that one situation equaled another, only to point out what I think it still a very apt comparison that the decisions made within the context of when and how they were made not only had many similarities, they made sense at the time, even if after the fact we could all wonder what if.
     
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  10. GameTime1

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    I dont remember a lot of freshman QBs playing back in the early 90s, but maybe you are right. I just think QB is much more mental than physical, and Trask has shown to be a million miles ahead in that dept.
     
  11. Bushmaster

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    But Spurrier did bench TD in favor of the REDSHIRT FRESHMAN. He saw someone playing like crap and made the switch. NOTHING like Mullen being g forced to play Trask due to FF injury.


    Try again.
     
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  12. Bushmaster

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    Did Spurrier keep playing Dean or did he need Dean i favor of DannyW.???

    Thought so.
     
  13. SewaneeGator

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    And when Franks played so poorly against Missouri, Trask got the nod. And he would have started the next game had he not gotten injured in practice. But that's not the point. You were the one who stated a Heisman finalist was kept on the bench for a year and a half in favor of a poor player. Trask wasn't a Heisman finalist back then and no one outside his mother ever expected him to be. It was less than a year and a half, it was part way through the third game of the second season, and Trask wasn't even available to play for most of that time period.

    You can second guess Mullen's use of Franks all you want, but it still doesn't make it an unreasonable decision back then and it wasn't because he couldn't evaluate talent properly, which you also implied. Coaches make the best decisions they can, some of which work and some of which don't. It's absolutely a fair point that Trask could have seen some action in the losses against against UK or UGA, or even in the closer games we won. Of course, there's no mention of what kind of risk putting in the completely untested backup would have been in those situations, especially when we were still winning. But that's not what you've been pushing. You see it as some sort of strike against Mullen that Trask wasn't the guy from the beginning or at least very early on (earlier than partway through the 8th game of his first season). And as right as that might seem now, there was absolutely no way to make that leap of logic then. No more than it would have been for Spurrier to assume that Danny was should had the job from the beginning because he'd win the Heisman one day.
     
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  14. SewaneeGator

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    Are you that young? Of course he kept playing Terry. Spurrier's reputation for musical quarterbacks comes from this year. Even before Danny was knocked out versus FSU, forcing Terry into the permanent starting role again, they split time in multiple games. They both played poorly against Auburn and even though Danny played better and got the start the next week against Georgia, it poured like crazy the whole game and Steve sent Terry back in when Danny was having trouble throwing a wet ball.

    Once again, it goes like this: Experienced and physically gifted starter Terry plays poorly in a loss and is benched for the inexperienced but better pure passing back up. But when that backup is injured, Terry becomes the starter again. He plays well, ends the season on a high note, and remains the starter at the beginning on the next season. He'll lose the job again early in that season and never get it back. His former backup will be a Heisman trophy finalist the very next year. Now go back and replace "Terry" with "Feleipe" because that scenario plays out just the same.
     
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  15. KronoGator

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    How the 93-94 seasons went QB wise.

    Ark State-Dean
    Kentucky-Dean..relived by Danny..both played pretty bad
    Tennessee-Auburn...Danny, Dean only played sparingly in blowouts, didn't play at all in the loss to aubie.
    Georgia-Danny..relived by Dean when Danny couldn't throw a wet ball.
    Louisiana-Dean, tossed 6TD's, Danny played when it was already over
    South Carolina-Dean was hurt in practice, Danny played the whole game
    Vandy-First game where they went back and forth
    FSU-Danny started, got hurt, Dean led the almost comeback
    SEC and Bowl Game..Dean all the way

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    Dean started all the way until being benched in the aubie game, Danny from then on.

    I don't really see the parallel to Franks/Trask.
     
  16. nolancarey

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    Huh?
    OK, here are the stats from last year as well:

    Name | G | Att | Comp | Pct. | Yards | Yards/Att | TD | Int | Rating | Att/G | Yards/G
    Kyle Trask | 12 | 354 | 237 | 66.9 | 2941 | 8.3 | 25 | 7 | 156.09 | 29.5 | 245.1

    Feleipe Franks | 3 | 71 | 54 | 76.1 | 698 | 9.8 | 5 | 3 | 173.43 | 23.7 | 232.7

    Franks had a higher completion percentage, higher yards per attempt, and a higher rating. He would have likely had more interceptions. But he had the locker room. He doesn't pass the eye test, especially with 20/20 hindsight. But don't let hindsight blind you to context or make up context of your own.
     
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  17. Distant Gator

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    There is one, but it's not perfect.

    Dean became the FT starter late in the year due to an injury, won big games, and began the next season as the entrenched starter.
    So Dean made the future Heisman winner sit on the bench until Dean imploded.

    Franks got his job back after an injury to Trask, also won big games, and began the next season as the entrenched starter.
    So Franks also made a future Heisman finalist sit on the bench until Franks got hurt.

    Both coaches, then, made a future Heisman contender sit on the bench for some games because the guy who took over after they got injured won some big games.

    It's not perfect, but there is a parallel.

    Another parallel is this- how amazing is it that we had coaches (Spurrier/ Mullen) who had 2nd stringers so developed that they simply dominated once they had a chance. And both took over with zero notice.

    I can't believe anyone could criticize either coach for their offensive coaching. That is simply brain dead.
    (Now criticizing them for clock mgmt, choice of assistants, a few play calls- totally deserved.)
     
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  18. filamg8torfan

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    This 100%
     
  19. filamg8torfan

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    Agreed
     
  20. g8orbill

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    me either