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A generation of men give up on college.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by l_boy, Sep 6, 2021.

  1. l_boy

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    A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’

    I found this fascinating. I had no idea it had gotten this bad. The percent of women and men in college is 60/40. 50% more females than males. That is astonishing to me.

    Is this bad? Good? Doesn't matter?

    It seems to me that those worried about white male privilege, with stats like that the problem will likely work itself out.

    What I'm not clear on is what are the deficit in men doing?
     
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    How does it break down politically?
     
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  3. GratefulGator

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  4. swampspring

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    The main pic in that article is some 18-year-old with a sweet gaming setup. That might be a part of the problem. I look at my loser brother-in-law playing video games all day as a grown man living in his retired parents house and yeah, I would be disillusioned as well. He isn't the only one...i've seen it with others from this up-and-coming generation.

    I'm sure some might argue that well, college isn't everything and that you can find whatever you need to know online (non-technical), which is true, but i seriously doubt many of these guys are becoming renaissance men taking courses online. You could possibly argue that many of them might be choosing to pursue more labor-intensive work (plumbing/electricians, etc. which make good money without a college degree), but I don't think the data supports it either.

    This probably isn't just an American thing tbh. In Japan it's called hikikomori, i'm sure there are variations of that in many developed countries. Withdrawing from society, playing video games continuously, no interest in real social interaction, mental health issues, etc. etc. the article didn't speak to all that, but it's pretty clear these are a societal issue.

    College maybe a ponzi scheme to some, but it still takes motivation to get through it. And for those men who are motivated, we have all these wealthy dbags (Gary Vee, CNBC, crypto this, cryto that, going around saying 'college is a waste of time, I'm a success without finishing or even going, so can you' or that college is just there to babysit, or even that colleges are only there to teach liberal ideology or some other bs. Social media is littered with these snake oil salesmen.

    I have no data to support this, and just theorizing here, but women from my anecdotal experience are far more motivated and probably aren't influenced by all these "concerns." I'm already starting to notice the trend in the workforce. Ten years ago, there were just a handful of women in my Office. Thankfully it's a lot more even now, but i suspect by the time I retire, it will be more along the lines of 60/40 women to men, and i'm being conservative.
     
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  5. G8trGr8t

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    I need to go back to college with those odds:devil:
     
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  6. l_boy

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    Most Def! Back when I went to UF it was about 58% dudes. A major sausage fest.
     
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  7. WarDamnGator

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    I don’t know why this post got a “come on man”…. Seems like a good question. I’ve always assumed that if you grow up in a house where universities are considered “left wing, Antifa, elitist, science-over-religion, socialist, politically correct, woke, thought police, indoctrination camps”, then you are way more likely to end up an incel living in your parents basement than a physicist.
     
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  8. ncargat1

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    This is bad. The greater the percentage of the population that goes uneducated, unable to see a path to climbing the social/financial ladder and the less likely to be able to be better off then their parents, the closer we come to widescale social upheavel like you find in many 3rd world countries. Add to it the on-going concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands and we are rushing headlong into a disaster, the kind the destroys civilizations in my opinion.
     
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  9. GrandPrixGator

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    Since there is a such a lack of skilled trade workers, I'd hope they'd move in that direction.
     
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  10. wgbgator

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    I found that college gave me plenty of time to do those things though
     
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  11. RealGatorFan

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    Not really. More men are taking over family businesses or going into vocational tech school. Some are also learning online. I have told many male and female that you don't need a degree in Computer Science to learn how to be software developer. You can get everything you need from places like Udemy for far cheaper and you can focus all of your energy on courses that mean something not spend 2 years taking fluff courses.

    I will add a dire warning to the University education system. Watch the number of freshmen across the country that are dropping out now. It's a massive number, between 10 and 30%. At Bama, it's pretty high. The issue is the Pandemic. No not the fear of getting Covid or dealing with it. It's because most of these freshmen haven't taken a test in person in about a year and a half. They missed out on testing since their sophomore years. Most didn't even take the ACT or SAT. My son said even his psych class started out at 420, but dropped by 50 by the 2nd week. All of the freshmen are panicking because they haven't been in an actual class since early 2020. Most saw their scores after the 1st week and dropped out. He does say it is hard right now but it's not any harder than it was in high school. He does homework about 12 hours every day. I told him to hang in there and get the 1st semester completed because you guys are dealing with more than that (away from home, new school, new people, dorm mates, etc). I remember how daunting it was when I went and I was commuting from home (before the libbies forced freshmen to stay in the dorms). I can't imagine what they are going through now because I dealt with testing like I did in high school. But to go from virtual learning by yourself, learning nothing at all, to being in a classroom with pretty much half the student body from high school, can be very difficult to process.
     
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  12. BLING

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    Certainly it portends bad things for the future to have a less educated populace, but it wouldn’t be so much of an issue if the secondary school education were of better quality. In a lot of areas nowadays, college (esp the big public ones) are almost like remedial education for filling in the gaps where the high school education failed.

    There has typically been a pretty high drop out rate from students ill equipped to jump to higher education (or kids who hit the party scene their first time away from home), this is especially true at the big public schools which are pretty much sink or swim. But I can see the pandemic could have made that worse for students caught up in it.

    The good news is it’s probably as good a time as any for those looking to get into trades, so not all is lost imo. Some of these males might be smartly exploring opportunities. It’s probably more like a 50/50 situation.
     
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  13. tampagtr

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    Well put. We need to reform our trade schools. Many perverse incentives hurt the legit ones, who lack the resources to turn out sufficient graduates to meet demand, while we subsidize many other for profit schools that do transmit marketable skills
     
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  14. tampagtr

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    Times have changed. Both the weed and the games are stronger.

    Seriously, I have read that many worldwide governments believe gaming saps productive potential, mainly among men. China is trying to regulate to one hour per week. I was skeptical at first because it is so far outside of my frame of reference at my age. But obviously things change
     
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  15. wgbgator

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    The games are definitely better and more immersive (and more online), but I remember all night GTA, Goldeneye or Madden sessions with friends. I suppose it was more of a social thing though, not solitary, or online.
     
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    I have seen multiple men my age lose their jobs and family by becoming addicted to video games. That addiction can grab us at any age. Just like other mental addictions, it is the person not the activity that is to blame.

    With that said, in the late 90s when I was in college, there wasn’t an easy and cheap opportunity for a young adult to leverage the internet to make money. The best options we had was Machinima or having dedicated server owners pay you for playing on their servers. The Machinima I created helped me develop relationships within the scene and skills that helped open doors for me, but I never made any money with my passion. Esports leagues, was a new concept and there wasn’t really a payout for winning back then, like there is today.

    As a 18 year old kid; what is the quickest was to become a self-made millionaire? In my generation you only had a couple of options; musical artist, entrepreneur, acting, or sports(after college). Today’s generation, you have musical artist, acting, sports (can get paid in college), entrepreneur, Esports, influencer, streamer, and YouTube content. Kids today have a lot more opportunities to becomes self made with their unique skill set, than we had when we were young.

    Opportunities are different for this generation, as the were for us compared to our parents. Universities and trade schools aren’t going anywhere, they can always go back to get an education or skill.
     
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  17. BLING

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    If any of my kids told me they intended to become a social media influencer instead of receiving a college education, I’d lock them in the dungeon with no television and no internet access until they straightened themselves out.
     
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  18. tegator80

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    Right now college education, via the tuition, books, and room/board are not a good value. WAY too much debt and not enough of "those jobs" to go around. On one level it is prudent. On another level, if all it means is they are rationalizing their sloth then they are going to be (or should be...PARENTS!) educated in the real world. Living in your parent's basement is not a profession.
     
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  19. swampbabe

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    Or women are smarter and more motivated...:p
     
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  20. 92gator

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    Well yeah, but we're talkin besides that...

    :D
     
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