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76% of young campers test positive for Covid 19 at Georgia YMCA summer camp

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Aug 2, 2020.

  1. AzCatFan

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    Those CDC guidelines were edited by the White House. Non politically connected pediatricians have different guidelines.

    I care about other workers too. But what suggestion to you have that can keep supply chains opened while keeping pantries stocked at home that also keeps grocery stores closed? Come up with a workable idea for people to be fed while keeping stores closed, and I'll support it.

    While we can't distance eat, we can distance learn. It is generally not as effective as in-person, especially for kids in elementary and middle school, but we also must weigh public health. Reopening schools too soon will promote spread of the virus. Too much evidence to suggest otherwise. And where there's viral spread increase, death follows. Not to mention, those that survive may have long lasting health issues such as heart problems, lung problems, neurological disorders, etc.

    We all should come together and promote a flatter curve until we have this disease under control. Reopening schools too soon will be just as bad as reopening bars and restaurants too soon. If you do send your kids back, I hope the school can avoid an outbreak. I truly do. I just believe it's way too risky, especially in hot spots, where the b question isn't if school has a COVID-19 problem, it's when.
     
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  2. UFLawyer

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    do you want to try again? Read my post and then do a little research on how to use statistics. I’ll wait.
     
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  3. rivergator

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    Guys, there's been a lot of personal sniping at each other on this thread. Some have been deleted.
    It seems like the subject can be discussed without accusing other posters of not caring about kids, about other posters being stupid or lying about their education.
    If you disagree with someone, simply explain why. Cheap shots at others do not make you look any brighter.

    Thanks
     
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  4. gator95

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  5. G8R8U2

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    You mean yours will be in school unless you live in a county or district where the positivity rate exceeds 5%, right?
     
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  6. VAg8r1

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    Wouldn't trivialize 300 as "some" but then that's just me.
     
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  7. VAg8r1

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    Don't have school age children but if I did, I would send them to school provided that the school enforced social distancing and mandated that all students and school personnel (teachers as well as support staff) wear masks. Otherwise I would be very reluctant. While anecdotal it seems that a number of school districts that have reopened for in-person instruction have made the wearing of masks by students optional, encouraged but not required.
     
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  8. philnotfil

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    Sweden doesn't show any spread in the schools because they didn't set up any testing to see if there was any spread in the schools

    How Sweden wasted a ‘rare opportunity’ to study coronavirus in schools

    The American Academy of Pediatrics did say in June that it was important for schools to open. In July they walked that back and cautioned that with the virus spreading rapidly in communities, having school in person wouldn't always be the best choice.

    US pediatricians walk back support for in-person schooling as WHO warns against politicization

    You've been corrected on both of these misleading statements several times. At this point it is hard to believe the mistakes are just ignorance.
     
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  9. gator95

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    nope
     
  10. NavyGator93

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    You nailed it.
     
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  11. gator95

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    They don’t walk it back. They say any places that have hotspots should be virtual, which I stated.
     
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  12. citygator

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    I have school age kids plus have an older one starting medical school next week. I’m torn. I’d like them in school because online learning is not a good experience yet unless you are older like a grad student. I am ok with a semester from home until we have time to survey where we are with Covid but we need to figure out safe in school learning fast. Also it’s so much more work on the parent from home.
     
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  13. G8R8U2

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    You're going to send your kids to a closed school?
     
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  14. philnotfil

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    First statement- physical school for every child is the goal. Second statement- in some place physical school is too much of a risk.
     
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  15. mdgator05

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    A hotspot is generally defined as a 10% positive testing rate and an increasing number of infected. You good with using that definition for deciding when areas should be virtual?
     
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  16. gator95

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    Actually Hotspots is a vague meaning with no exact definition.


    What is a Hotspot Anyway?

    My view of a hotspot is the Miami area for sure. An area where pretty much everyone can agree isn’t controlling the virus very well. Other areas could be argued as well but like I stated, most of Florida’s counties should be able to get back to in person schooling for those who want to do it.
     
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    Interesting info on Iowa HS Baseball season that just finished.
     

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  18. gatordavisl

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    Nor are all its members calling for schools to reopen. That appears to be a convenient assumption of the poster you responded to.
     
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  19. mdgator05

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    In a general sense, there is more variance in what constitutes a hotspot than when looking at a specific disease (this article was from 2017 and did not, obviously, address Covid).

    But let's look at 2 county measures of risk and utilize Seminole County, Florida since you mentioned it in the past. First, Covid Act Now.

    America’s COVID warning system

    Overall classification "active or imminent outbreak"

    This is based upon a very large number of new cases, a positive testing rate of 12.8%, which indicates insufficient testing, an ICU headroom used of 100%, insufficient data to even assess contact tracing, and is somewhat offset by declining active cases.

    Basically, 4 counties in Florida are not listed at the highest level of outbreak.



    Now, here is the data put together by Scott Gottlieb,who you have linked in the past on here:

    COVID-19 Tracker | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

    Here is the description of his measure of risk:

    His measure for Seminole County, Florida: 13.56. That looks like a "hotspot" to me.
     
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    This is concerning. Odd how so many reports from other countries with active cases and contact tracing showed almost no spread at all with kids.
    This incident needs to be studied and reviewed quickly.
     
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