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1st anti-CRT complaint filed: MLK book is anti-American

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Nov 29, 2021.

  1. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

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    When my dad prohibited my older sister to read Catcher in the Rye, I KNEW I had to read it. And did.
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    Okay, let's look at what the Texas folks want. Here is their list, which contains multiple award winning novels, just about any book that involves the basics about sex and/or gender, and history books by such radicals as Professors at the University of Florida.

    https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/94fee7ff93eff9609f141433e41f8ae1/krausebooklist.pdf
     
  3. PacificBlueGator

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    I was lucky enough to have a librarian for a mother - and more kids read it when they were told not to - and she refused to remove it from the shelves.
     
  4. Trickster

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    Snowflakes?
     
  5. carpeveritas

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    What did people expect? It is only natural to go from one extreme to the other until saner minds prevail.
     
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  6. gator_lawyer

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    This is exactly what I expected, and it's not going from one extreme to another. It's going exactly where many of the anti-"CRT" nuts wanted it to go.
     
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  7. wgbgator

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    What was the other extreme? Was there hardcore pornography in the school library or something?
     
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  8. carpeveritas

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    Surely you mean the nuts using Critical Theory in creating their racists and sexist pedagogy.

    Happy to see you're finally paying attention. The threads on this board to date should have provided ample information for you to understand what is transpiring within the educational system.
     
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  9. gator_lawyer

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    Nope. I surely mean the nuts trying to ban books that talk about this country's racism, not the intellectuals who created theories to examine that racism.
     
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  10. wgbgator

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    So there was porn in the library? Far out, man.
     
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  11. orangeblue_coop

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    When poop hits the fan, they always act like they had no choice in the matter. They shrug their shoulders like "Oh well"

    Scumbag Trump gets elected - "Shrug. Well, that's what you get for running a bad candidate. We had no choice but to vote for Trump."

    January 6th - "Shrug. Well, that's what you get for pissing off patriots. They had no choice but to invade the Capitol."

    anti-CRT zealots wants to ban books by black Civil Rights leaders -"Shrug. Well, that's what you get for not nipping the flaws in the educational system in the bud."
     
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  12. Gator715

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    Books alleging the perpetual systemic racism of America to this day are taught to kids and should not be taught to kids. Those are politically charged books used to indoctrinate children into a particular skewed view of the US.

    Obviously MLK books aren't one of these books.

    This is a ridiculous complaint that is hopefully treated as such.

    I don't like this, but if you think conservatives are just going to roll over and allow the crap I mentioned above to continue, you have another thing coming. Indoctrination of children is a hill worth dying on.

    If things get worse before they get better, so be it. You chose to make classrooms a place to further your politics through children. Now you're mad that parents have trust issues with their schools.
     
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  13. citygator

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    Thats not happening. Keep running scared though. Good strategy.
     
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  14. Gator715

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    Summer Reading 2021

    Ibram X. Kendi assigned to high school.

    Maryland public schools launched 'psychoeducational lesson' | Daily Mail Online

    Maryland's biggest county pushed a CRT-based 'psychoeducational lesson' on students as young as five years old that taught them of a 'dual pandemic of COVID-19 and systemic racism' - and ordered teachers to buy a book written by anti-racist activist Ibram X. Kendi.
     
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  15. wgbgator

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    Might have to get rid of all books if you dont like "indoctrinating" children.
     
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  16. Gator715

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    I guess according to wgbgator, you have to give Nazi and/or Communist propaganda to children and set that as mandatory curriculum or you might as well "get rid of all books."

    Every school in the country both public or private sets certain books that they consider are appropriate to teach children and they set their curriculums as such. It's been that way for hundreds of years.
     
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  17. wgbgator

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    First of all, we are talking about books in the library here, not mandatory course material in this example. They dont want kids reading anything like that even when they dont have to. And lets be clear here, you want to indoctrinate children with what you feel is what they need to know. The sort of 'propaganda' you think will make them "good Americans" and feel good about their history or culture. What else is this all about other than that? If it wasn't, there would be no political angle in school boards and such. No one is invading a PTA meeting to talk about what they teach in math class.
     
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  18. Gator715

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    I'm pretty sure people who voted for Trump were fine with him being elected. lol.

    January 6th, I don't know anybody here who has praised January 6th as a good thing. It's a bad thing, but the left is trying to keep this in the public sphere as long as possible for political purposes while simultaneously ignoring the Summer riots of 2020. One is "the language of the unheard" to the left, the other is an "existential threat to our Democracy." Just pointing out some degree of hypocrisy there. Maybe call out your own violent political actors as well if you want people to take you seriously. But yes, the people who invaded the Capitol on January 6th should be charged, tried, and incarcerated individually.

    If we viewed this MLK book as an isolated case, I'd be with you guys. Instead, you immediately politicized this to target the legislation and the people behind the legislation. Sorry, but the legislation is necessary. Whining about it is going to be a no-go for me and for many of us.
     
  19. Gator715

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    Incorrect, I was talking about books and lessons assigned to kids.

    If you just want to call anything taught to children "propaganda" you're going to have a pretty ugly fight over school curriculum. It's also not true. I'm all for teaching kids about the evils of slavery, the civil rights movement, Rosa Parks, MLK, Frederick Douglass, Brown v. Board of Education. I'm all for teaching about the controversial decision to drop the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I'm all for teaching the kids about FDR putting Japanese in camps during WWII.

    There is a way of teaching history without feeding kids propaganda. There is a line between true history and propaganda. Propagandists, however, like obfuscating those lines so they can justify feeding kids propaganda.
     
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  20. wgbgator

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    If you are teaching kids the founding of America was a good thing and that our ideals are good and worth cherishing, you are teaching them propaganda. I mean, there is no way around it. We arent teaching "both sides" of the American Revolution. I assume other countries largely do the same, especially the ones you think indoctrinate their children. I assume the Chinese teach their kids their revolution was fantastic too. As do the Cubans. And the French. There really is no national project without this kind of myth making and propagandizing. You can teach kids all the things you are talking about but I assume you'd like the take away to be "these things were bad, but we overcame them to be the good things we are now." That is also propaganda. This is not to say its not useful or even vital, but the idea that you can simply teach "the facts" is not possible. Because as I said, all history has a narrative arc, and it is impossible to disconnect it from the present. If it had no bearing on the present, it would not be contentious at all, there would be no use for history at all.
     
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