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100 Ford Employees Tell Management to Stop Making Cop Cars

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. 1990Gator

    1990Gator VIP Member

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    Why? Good question and I’ll offer a possible answer:

    If these 100 outspoken employees (likely progressives) were conservatives at Google or Twitter or almost any giant tech firm and they voiced their opinion they would be cancelled from within and likely fired or asked to leave. I think we’ve seen proof of that already with some conservatives.
     
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  2. dynogator

    dynogator GC Hall of Fame

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    Making cars for the police doesn't make you complicit in police brutality, that's the dumbest thing I've heard today. I know Ford asked for employee input, but they probably didn't expect the suggestion that they cancel a major contract to somehow strike a blow at racial inequality.

    Foolishness. Some people need to regain their grip on common sense.
     
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  3. VAg8r1

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    85,000 is the number of Ford employees in the US. Ford employs around 200,000 worldwide.

    By the way, I disagree with the position. I have absolutely no problem with Ford manufacturing police cars although Fiat-Chrysler would probably be pleased if Ford stopped making police cars considering that the Dodge Charger Interceptor would fill the void although in reality police cars represent a very small percentage of total output for both companies.
     
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  4. chemgator

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    When they went public with it, they stepped over the line. Ford did not ask them to send out their suggestions to the world for comment. And sending in suggestions as a group has a hint of it being a demand, not a suggestion. If 100 different people sent in the same suggestion, it would carry a different meaning than one suggestion signed by 100 people. I'm sure Ford will learn their lesson, even if they don't fire these people: don't ask for suggestions.
     
  5. PerSeGator

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    Probably not, but Ford could use some radical thinking. Resting on their laurels with police cars and F-150s has left them well behind the eight ball. Yesterday Tesla’s market cap went up by more than the entire value of Ford. The whole company. And that was just a typical Friday.

    Ford has been on a 20 year decline because in large part because of its unwillingness to reconsider its core business model. I’m not saying that SJW signaling is going to turn them around, but there is perhaps a kernel of wisdom in what at first seems absurd.
     
  6. PerSeGator

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    “They” didn’t go public with it. It leaked. And that leak may have come from anyone who had access to the letter, not just the people who signed it. Heck, it might have been a hard core Trump fan angry that he was asked to sign a piece of “SJW nonsense.”

    As for group vs individual suggestions, did Ford specify that they only wanted the latter?

    If the lesson Ford learns from this is to not solicit suggestions, or to punish those who give them upon request, I expect that the company will continue to struggle.
     
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  7. OklahomaGator

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    Not every suggestion needs to be acted on or carried out. Ford should address the suggestion, whether they take it or not.
     
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  8. gators81

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    One of the restaurant chains I worked for had a forum seeking employee suggestions. I submitted many ideas I thought would be beneficial. One was to do away with plastic cups and give out to go cups exclusively since most people preferred those anyways. Glad I didn’t get fired for that...
     
  9. 1990Gator

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    Employee suggestions sometimes work. I once ha d a friend that worked on the assembly line at a new Toyota engine plant. He suggested that they move his table about 2 feet closer to the line and said he would save so many steps per day and be more productive. They moved the table and gave him a 5k bonus for his suggestion. The jet ski he bought with that money was a beauty.
     
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  10. rivergator

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    I don't see why in the world management would be embarrassed. As others have pointed out, management asked for employees' suggestions and opinions and they got some, apparently done very respectfully.
    It sounds like both sides did exactly what they should do in a well-run company,

    Ford employees ask if company should stop building police vehicles
     
  11. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator

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    First of all, I'm guessing you have no knowledge of how things are really done at Google or Twitter. If you do, please elaborate.
    Beyond that, I suspect Ford's management is a little more reasoned than "Well, Google would fire conservatives, so I guess we better fire liberals."
    I imagine the company is a little more level headed than that.
     
  12. 1990Gator

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    Fired by Google, a Republican Engineer Hits Back: ‘There’s Been a Lot of Bullying’

    Lawsuit Alleging Anti-Conservative Bias at Google Ends Quietly

    And as I said in a previous post - we never know the outcomes as they all have NDA as part of their cashing in the settlements
     
  13. AgingGator

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    Agree. Fiat-Chrysler still needs all the help they can get.

    Though I do absolutely love the 300 with a V8. Always ask for it when I am renting.
     
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  14. Gatorrick22

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    The cop car by itself does no damage to people... It's the drivers as someone else pointed out.

    If these 100 employees don't want to make cars then let them make ventilators. That's neutral product worthy of their skills.
     
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  15. AgingGator

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    That’s probably because all of those FSU alumni that you were managing had a difficult time counting cups on a stack that all looked the same
     
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    I bet these 100 people assemble the Ford hybrid.
     
  18. AgingGator

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    That’s why you don’t fire them. You put them on the couch with Muhammad, Jugdesh, and Sidney!
     
  19. dynogator

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    I like this meme. :)
     
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  20. PerSeGator

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    Whether their suggestion is one Ford should follow is an entirely different question than whether the employees should be fired for making it.