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‘No Time To Die’ - James Bond

Discussion in 'GatorTail Pub' started by 62gator, Dec 4, 2019.

  1. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

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    At any rate, Craig and Connery are my two favorite Bonds. Moore is third. The others not even worth mentioning.
     
  2. GrandPrixGator

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    I thought Skyfall was an instant classic and may be in my top 2-3 favorite all-time Bond films. If anyone likes podcasts, The Ringer podcasts group puts out one called The Rewatchables. They take a movie that this particular group thinks is highly rewatchable and discuss it for an hour or so. It's usually pretty entertaining commentary about some of my favorite films. They just did a good one on Skyfall.
     
  3. brainstorm

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    I identify as a white, privileged patriarchal construct.
     
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  4. You don’t have Thunderball on that list?

    Sacrilege !!!
     
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  5. ThePlayer

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    Best of Bond
    James Bond
    Connery style

     
  6. Juggernautz

    Juggernautz Don't tread on me! VIP Member

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    My top 5 bonds, imho are:

    Connery, Brosnan, Lazenby, Dalton & Moore.
     
  7. interrygator

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    Halfway through the first Craig/Bond movie, I'm thinking this guy ain't Bond . At the end of the movie, I'm thinking this guy is absolutely Bond. Like Connery, cold , deadly, and efficient. Craig is the second best Bond. But, I liked all the Bonds, except Dalton.
     
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  8. demosthenes

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    Brosnan was a terrible Bond.
     
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  9. Spurffelbow833

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    I especially love the poorly nuanced role of all the spearguns in that one.
     
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  10. 92gator

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    Respectfully disagree. Daniel Craig is the closest to the James Bond that Ian Fleming conceived, by far. He was a disturbed human being whose genius in the field was forged from battle hardened callousness, not flip aloofness or happy go lucky charming carefree view on life and work.

    DC is the only one to cull that out in his characterization of JB.

    Ive loved the Bond movies since I was 7 yrs old--IMO, if they end the franchise, its bc you cant beat Craig as Bond. No where to go but down.

    You could never say that about any of the other Bonds--there was always something left wanting, leaving the fans pining for more.

    DC, IMO, fulfilled the vision of who James Bond was supposed to be.

    Jmho/fwiw.
     
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  11. demosthenes

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    I agree but there’s a lot of money to be made and entertainment for fans even if subsequent actors don’t live up to his standards. So, I hope they don’t stop making them.
     
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  12. 92gator

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    Concur--perhaps I should clarify--I wasn't hoping they would cancel the franchise, just saying that IF they did, it would more likely be that, than anything else.

    But as you point out...money's money, and the money continues to be damn good.

    So most likely, they will get a new guy and continue the franchise.

    ....and I'll expect a significant drop off...followed by a rebound, years down the road.

    Like Connery to Moore (drop off), then Moore to Dalton (perceived as a drop off at the time), then *rebound* to Brosnan (so perceived at the time)...

    ....then rebound with Craig.

    (although in retrospect, seems like it's DC>SC>TD>RM>PB (IMHO).

    So, cycle continuing, I figure the next guy will be border line disaster, then they'll reboot the whole thing, and everybody will be "...ooohhhh....so fresh!"

    ...and by that point, i'll probably be looking back at the Craig stuff, and cringing. LOL!

    btw, here's my top ten, FWIW:

    Casino Royale - Daniel Craig
    Spectre --DC
    Quantum of Solace-- DC
    From Russia with Love--Sean Connery
    Thunderball--SC
    License to Kill--Timothy Dalton
    Goldeneye - Pierce Brosnan
    Goldfinger - SC
    Dr. No--SC
    Skyfall --DC
     
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  13. demosthenes

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    Whoops! Yes, don’t stop.
     
  14. StrangeGator

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    Just saw Knives Out. Daniel Craig was 'effing brilliant. He as also good in Logan Lucky. What sets him apart from all the other actors who played bond is his masterful all around acting skills. Connery was good but didn't have the range or the emotional intensity that Craig has. He can't even vary his accent. Craig performed distinctly different southern accents in those two films.
     
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  15. CaptUSMCNole

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    Quantum of Solstice was shot during the writers strike. Craig has said that he and the director were basically writing the next day's script the night before. That is why that movie was so bad. I think Craig wanted do another film to correct the franchise arc and then move on. The role of Bond is physically demanding and Craig has said he is not getting younger. I think after Skyfall, Craig didn't want to exit the franchise at the same time as Dench so he did Specter. I'm guessing they talked him into this one to transition to the next Bond.
     
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  16. demosthenes

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    I believe he also signed a five movie deal and with as successful as they have been the studio was going to hold him to the contract.
     
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    I don’t doubt it but those contracts have outs for the studios as well. I think Craig was a huge hit making Bond more “gritty” which is what the public was enthralled with. Once Craig owned the role, the studio needed him to continue until they had a transition plan.

    I think Quantum of Solstice threw everything for a loop and they needed Craig to stay in the role. The exit of Dench as “M” was a big work around since she redefined the role and was the one actor who maintained continuity after the reboot.

    The reboot of Bond and Dench’s exit meant that Craig’s importance to the franchise increased and he needed to stay in the role for at least one or more movies.
     
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  18. 92gator

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    You keep knocking Quantum of Solace, but its box office was just a bit off of Casino Royale (....though admittedly no where near the historic grand slam that Skyfall was...) notwithstanding the writers strike and slightly disjointed plot.

    It was still one of the best JB films of the series (though it does kinda stand out for lack of gadgets, bond chick conquests...).

    Jmho/fwiw.
     
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  19. CaptUSMCNole

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    I just think it was kind of forgettable. The villain was not memorable, the plot was overly complicated, and the movie was just disjointed. I don’t think that the studio or Craig were happy with it. To be fair, it was sandwiched in between the start of the reboot and a great villain in Javier Bardem and the death of Judy Dench as M.

    I really wanted to like it as it had a personal favorite in it, Gemma Arterton, but it just kind of went sideways several times.
     
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  20. tampagtr

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    To quote Deadpool credits, the writers are always the real heroes (my daughter is an aspiring screenwriter)
     
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