I'll start by saying that, obviously, the U.S.-Canada relationship will probably remain tense as long as Trump is in office, so for the next 3 1/2 years. However, I wonder what will happen after Trump's time as President. A friend of mine was just up in Canada for a week. Now given, they were in Quebec, specifically Montreal and Quebec City. Of course even by Canadian standards Quebec is liberal, especially compared to other provinces like Alberta. While everyone was genuinely nice to him, and harbored no hostility towards him individually as an American, he did ask several of them about their views of the U.S. All of them did not hesitate to say they hate Trump, with several of them using the "Elbows Up" saying towards the U.S. and advising they will not vacation in the U.S. or buy any U.S. products if possible. Many of them are saying they think the U.S.-Canada relationship is damaged beyond repair, or at least for a generation. I looked up several sources, and sure enough the "Elbows Up" saying has become very popular with Canadians, basically implying they are willing to fight the U.S. if necessary and as a sign of a complete boycott of the U.S. With all the rhetoric from a lot of Canadians, I'm really surprised it hasn't been a bigger topic here. We all know Florida is one of the more impacted states by Canadian tourism, along with border states with Canada like New York, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Michigan, Montana and Washington. Here in the Tampa area there has been regular news here about Canadian tourism being down at least 50% and really hurting tourism in the state. I know many border states like New York and Michigan are also saying the same thing. With that said, going down the rabbit hole, including on some Canadian Reddits, the arrogance from Canadians is pretty crazy. They truly think they can bring the U.S. to its knees. Some fully consider the two countries to already be at war. My personal feelings is that it escalates. I think Canadians need to be careful with their rhetoric. As much as Trump caused this, I think Canadians have done nothing but escalate as well. They are not innocent here. And as far as I'm concerned, as a conservative, Canada needs the U.S. far more than the U.S. needs Canada. Canada can maybe hurt the U.S., but the U.S. can utterly destroy Canada economically. The Canadian economy is already struggling, the last thing they need is the U.S. doing a full on economic boycott. While Trump hasn't gone beyond rhetoric, if the Canadians continue to boycott the U.S. in terms of travel, do you see any type of response? Do you see Americans responding in kind and cutting back on travel with Canada? While dramatic, I could easily see Trump banning all non-essential personal travel to Canada. Now obviously that would start off a complete economic war between the two countries, if not even a Cold War type situation. While Americans could also boycott Canadians products, in general there really aren't many every day products from Canada that Americans use. Travel is probably the biggest way that Americans interact with Canada. I can also see Trump pulling back the military. Canada, like most of Europe, only has a small military, a lot of it truly being for show. With the U.S. military essentially acting as Canada's military, Canada would become a fairly easy and enticing target. What do you think? Do you think the tensions between the U.S. and Canada continue to escalate, even after Trump leaves office? Or you think they stay tense during the Trump years and then calm down long term? Or do you think the days of the U.S. and Canada even remotely being friends is over?
I think that tensions could ease but Trump has cause permanent damage. You Don't hear about tourism being impacted a lot in Florida because revenue in some areas is still good and DeSantis has been traveling this date talking about the record high revenue from 2024. Overall tourism for the state is down in 2025 but you won't hear that from Tallahassee. I don't think that Americans will retaliate if Canada continues their boycott because Canada is just responding to Trump and his rhetoric. The only way this escalates is if Trump causes it to escalate
I have friends who have leased during the winter at the condo I used to live at. It’s on Redington beach. All have said they will not be back next year. That may change though. Small personal sample. I think Canada is going to ride this out for as long as it lasts, hoping the next president eliminates the tariffs. I also think they are willing to do whatever is needed if it stays. They have moved towards the European countries and made trade agreements and such. I think they will do as much as possible to move their trade to Europe but I doubt that will help much. One big common denominator is Europe and Canada have made it clear they will continue to support Ukraine. The Canadian prime minister has made it clear he doesn’t like Trump and has started a movement that pulls on the Canadians National pride. If the tariffs hurt the Canadian people enough I think it’s going to be a while for things to get back to where they were, if ever. I think the trust Canadians have for the US will forever be damaged.
it’s hard to blame them. Trump has consistently insulted their country ie —continuing to call them our 51st state, dismissing their exports as worthless, referring to their Prime Minister as ‘Governor,’ questioning the legitimacy of our shared border, and of course applying blanket tariffs. A overall hostile tone towards them. I was going to start a thread on topic #4 above, Canada is now actively going elsewhere for trading partners. “With Donald Trump back in office, Canadians’ opinions of the United States and its president are at or near historic lows, .” Canadians’ opinions of the U.S. and its president are at or near historic lows
While I'm not going to make a prediction regarding what will happen between now and 2028 the relationship between the US and Canada will very likely return to historic norms after January 2029.
Their "problems" are the existence of people of what appears to be Indian descent joining what appears to be a white woman (none of whom are in any way shown to be "foreign") in bathing in a lake/river (something people often do while camping)?
I support Canada 100% on this ridiculous rift. Obviously, Canada will be hurt economically by this dispute, but nations, states, institutions and people need to stand up to this moronic, stupid and cruel monster.
I think the Canadians are so good at pretending that they think they have leverage to change the nature of the trade system. The elbows-up crowd stands firm in fighting back with their own tariffs, not realizing that they are only hurting themselves. After the USMCA dissolution, a bilateral free trade agreement between the USA and Canada will be negotiated. What leverage do the Canadians have? To be fair, it's not really an unwillingness to comply; it’s their inability. Towards the end of 2024, maybe early 2025, Trudeau is on record basically stating that if Canada were to face reciprocal tariffs through the new USMCA, Canada would collapse upon itself economically and cease to exist. Again, it's not an unwillingness; it's an inability. Canada can't even make their contributions of 2.5% to NATO; they don't make anything (no industry) in order to be "green", they need us to refine their oil, and they get most of their stuff from China. Canada needs the US, and they need to be willing to give the US something (natural resources/border protection) in order to receive protection and to prop up their economy. As for Canadians traveling to FL, I say stay home. FL is doing just fine, and Tampa does not need more people. And Trump did not cause this. The Canadians have taken advantage for way too long, and Trump wants something in return. You do not have to worry about us removing the military. Canada needs us, and we need to be on the coasts of Canada to monitor China.
This is an example of what kind of problem exactly? If This is what they have to worry about they are in good shape
Why did Trump agree to a deal during his first presidency that would let Canada take advantage of us? He said that it was going to bring back manufacturing to the US and create jobs. If he was wrong then why should we trust him now? He said the USMCA was a historic agreement
Wait, did you just say that Canada doesn't manufacture anything? And you meant it seriously? About 10% of Canadian GDP is manufacturing, which is the US figure as well.
Besides camping being a likelihood, the people calling out those “foreigners” think a natural lake is clean potable water and that people taking a bath spoils that or something? I mean… animals are pee’ing and poo’ing around that lake lmao.
Pardon my language, but the notion that the Canadians have taken advantage of us for too long is pure unadulterated bullshit.